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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 08:49 AM
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The War is Lost (updated and revised)
We have traveled a long, dark, strange road since the attacks of September 11. We have all suffered, we have all known fear and anger, and sometimes hatred. Many of us have felt –– probably more than we are willing to admit it –– at one time or another a desire for revenge, so deep was the wound inflicted upon us during that wretched, unforgettable Tuesday morning in September of 2001.

But we have come now to the end of a week so awful, so terrible, so wrenching that the most basic moral fabric of that which we believe is good and great –– the basic moral fabric of the United States of America –– has been torn bitterly asunder.

We are awash in photographs of Iraqi men –– not terrorists, just people –– lying in heaps on cold floors with leashes around their necks. We are awash in photographs of men chained so remorselessly that their backs are arched in agony, men forced to masturbate for cameras, men forced to pretend to have sex with one another for cameras, men forced to endure attacks from dogs, men with electrodes attached to them as they stand, hooded, in fear of their lives.

The worst, amazingly, is yet to come. A new battery of photographs and videotapes, as yet unreleased, awaits over the horizon of our abused understanding. These photos and videos, also from the Abu Ghraib prison, are reported to show U.S. soldiers having gang sex with an Iraqi woman, U.S. soldiers beating an Iraqi man nearly to death, U.S. troops posing, smirks affixed, with decomposing Iraqi bodies, and Iraqi troops under U.S. command raping young boys.

George W. Bush would have us believe these horrors were restricted to a sadistic few, and would have us believe these horrors happened only in Abu Ghraib. Yet reports are surfacing now of similar treatment at another U.S. detention center in Iraq called Camp Bucca. According to these reports, Iraqi prisoners in Camp Bucca were beaten, humiliated, hogtied, and had scorpions placed on their naked bodies.

For the world entire, this is America today. It cannot be dismissed as an anomaly because it went on and on and on in the Abu Ghraib prison, and because now we hear of Camp Bucca. According to the British press, there are some 30 other cases of torture and humiliation under investigation. The Bush administration went out of its way to cover up this disgrace, declaring secret the Army report on these atrocities. That, pointedly, is against the rules and against the law. You can’t call something classified just because it is embarrassing and disgusting. It was secret, but now it is out, and the whole world has been shown the dark, scabrous underbelly of our definition of freedom.

The beginnings of actual political fallout over this mess began to find its way into the White House last week. Representative John Murtha of Pennsylvania, the House Democrats’ most vocal defense hawk, joined Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi to declare that the conflict is “unwinnable.” Murtha, a Vietnam veteran, rocked the Caucus when he said at a leader’s luncheon Tuesday that the United States cannot win the war in Iraq.

“Unwinnable.” Well, it only took about 14 months.

Also last week, calls for the resignation of Defense Secretary Don Rumsfeld became strident. Pelosi accused Rumsfeld of being "in denial about Iraq," and said U.S. soldiers "are suffering great casualties and injuries, and American taxpayers are paying an enormous price" because Rumsfeld "has done a poor job as secretary of defense." Representative Charlie Rangel, a strong critic of the Iraq invasion, has filed articles of impeachment against Rumsfeld.

So there’s the heat. But let us consider the broader picture here in the context of that one huge word: Unwinnable. Why did we do this in the first place? There have been several reasons offered over the last 16 months for why we needed to do this thing.

It started, for real, in January 2003 when George W. Bush said in his State of the Union speech that Iraq was in possession of 26,000 liters of anthrax, 38,000 liters of botulinum toxin, 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX, 30,000 munitions to deliver this stuff, and that Iraq was seeking uranium from Niger to build nuclear bombs.

That reason has been scratched off the list because, as has been made painfully clear now, there are no such weapons in Iraq. The Niger claim, in particular, has caused massive embarrassment for America because it was so farcical, and has led to a federal investigation of this White House because two administration officials took revenge upon Joseph Wilson’s wife for Wilson’’s exposure of the lie.

Next on the list was September 11, and the oft-repeated allusions that Saddam Hussein must have been at least partially responsible. That one collapsed as well –– Bush himself had to come out and say Saddam had nothing to do with it.

Two reasons down, so the third must be freedom and liberty for the Iraqi people. Once again, however, facts have interfered with the quest. America does not want a democratic Iraq, because a democratic Iraq would quickly become a Shi’ite fundamentalist Iraq allied with the Shi’ite fundamentalist nation of Iran, a strategic situation nobody with a brain wants to see come to pass. It has been made clear that whatever the new Iraqi government comes to look like, it will have no power to make any laws of any kind, it will have no control over the security of Iraq, and it will have no power over the foreign troops which occupy their soil. This is, perhaps, some bizarre new definition of democracy not yet in the dictionary, but it is not democracy by any currently accepted definition I have ever heard of.

So...the reason to go to war because of weapons of mass destruction is destroyed. The reason to go to war because of connections to September 11 is destroyed. The reason to go to war in order to bring freedom and democracy to Iraq is destroyed.

What is left? The one reason left has been unfailingly flapped around by defenders of this administration and supporters of this war: Saddam Hussein was a terrible, terrible man. He killed his own people. He tortured his own people. The Iraqis are better off without him, and so the war is justified.

And here, now, is the final excuse destroyed. We have killed more than 10,000 innocent Iraqi civilians in this invasion, and maimed countless others. The photos from Abu Ghraib prison show that we, like Saddam Hussein, torture and humiliate the Iraqi people. Worst of all, we do this in the same prison Hussein used to do the torturing. We have done this for all the world, and every Iraqi, to see. We are the killers now. We are the torturers now. We have achieved a moral equivalence with the Butcher of Baghdad.

This war is lost. I mean not just the Iraq war, but this ridiculous “War on Terror” as a whole.

I say ridiculous because this “War on Terror” was never, ever something we were going to win. What began on September 11 with the world wrapping us in its loving embrace has collapsed today in a literal orgy of shame and disgrace. This happened, simply, because of the complete failure of moral leadership at the highest levels.

We saw a prime example of this during Friday’s farce of a Senate hearing into the Abu Ghraib disaster which starred Don Rumsfeld. From his bully pulpit spoke Senator Joe Lieberman, who parrots the worst of Bush’s war propaganda with unfailingly dreary regularity. Responding to the issue of whether or not Bush and Rumsfeld should apologize for Abu Ghraib, Lieberman stated that none of the terrorists had apologized for September 11.

There it was, in a nutshell. There was the idea, oft promulgated by the administration, that September 11 made any barbarism, any extreme, any horror brought forth by the United States acceptable, and even desirable. There was the institutionalization of revenge as a basis for policy. Sure, Abu Ghraib was bad, Mr. Lieberman put forth. But September 11 happened, so all bets are off.

Thus fails the “War on Terror.” September 11 did not demand of us the lowest common denominator, did not demand of us that we become that which we despise and denounce. September 11 demanded that we be better, greater, more righteous than those who brought death to us. September 11 demanded that we be better, and in doing so we would show the world that those who attacked us are far, far less than us. That would have been victory, with nary a shot being fired.

Our leaders, however, took us in exactly the opposite direction, and we are today drowning in filth of our own creation.

Every reason to go to Iraq has failed to retain even a semblance of credibility. Every bit of propaganda Osama bin Laden gave the Muslim world for why America should be attacked and destroyed has been validated by what has taken place in Iraq. Victory in this “War on Terror,” a propaganda war from the beginning, has been given to the September 11 attackers by the hand of George W. Bush, and by the hand of those who enabled his almost incomprehensible blundering.

The war is lost.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 08:54 AM
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1. Excellent piece...
I have just one quibble with it and that is: Iraq was an invasion and occupation, imo, not a war. It seems to me when it is "elevated" to a war, it is given, if only in optics, some legitimacy.
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CharlesGroce Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 08:59 AM
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2. Tell it to John Kerry
Will. This is the guy who thinks he can 'win' by elevating the war, and sending in more troops. His solution would be to purge the Iraqi society of all troublemakers through force: an impossible task because the troublemakers are the sons, brothers, and fathers that make up the very fabric of solciety, there is no one else!

So perhaps in the same breath you use to lament the failure of this war (I don't know in what case illegal invasion is truly successful), you should also demand that your representative represent your beliefs, and not just silently hope he will.

Have a good morning.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 09:17 AM
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8. agreed, the sooner Kerry get the clue sbout this one...
...the better.
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Misinformed01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 09:00 AM
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3. Will, one thing
Would you consider using the word "rape" instead of "having sex with?"

The US Press is being pretty namby pamby in calling this what it really is-

Stephanie
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 09:32 AM
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12. I totally agree
Will, you know I really loved this piece when you used it on the overview on Friday. But for the published version would you please call what they did to that woman by its name...GANG RAPE not gang sex.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 10:42 AM
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17. I agree.
Edited on Sun May-09-04 10:44 AM by beam_me_up
My assumption is that this was NOT consensual. They were NOT "having sex": they were RAPING a boy as a form of torture and humiliation.

Edit: I was thinking this was sad regarding the boy. Now I understand it was the woman. The argument still holds. It was not consensual.
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babzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 10:46 AM
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19. the assault on the boy is characterized as rape in the article.
Unfortunately the assault on the woman is characterized as "gang sex".

Not sure why.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 01:33 PM
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26. To sanatize it perhaps?
:shrug: ....It should be called wht it is...rape.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 02:13 PM
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29. Agreed. Euphemisms for crimes just don't work, these people have names
:hi:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 09:00 AM
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4. By the way
Loved the "Tin Soldiers and We Are Coming". History does repeat itself in some measure and we have a responsibility to change this course we are on.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 09:03 AM
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5. YES!!!
I was explaining to my sister that our final reason for being there has no meaning, now that we are viewed as poorly as Saddam.

Thank for explaining that we are not justified by 9-11 to slip into the mudhole of inhumanity that this episode represents.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 09:10 AM
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6. excellent!
but I have to agree with the poster above who asked that you also share it with Kerry.
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 09:14 AM
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7. Given that every reason to war with Iraq have been debunked.
What are the real reasons for the war with Iraq? I can think of only two.

1) He tried to kill my daddy and I am gonna get him -Bush*

2) I want the oil -Cheney

They sound insane as reasons, but I think way down deep, these are the real reasons for the war.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 10:56 AM
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21. I'm not sure the two you've named are the "real" reasons. . .
. . .but I've been asking this question, too. Why DID we go into Iraq? Did * actually BELIEVE there were WMD--is that why these people were tortured, to get that information? I can't understand this. I didn't believe there were WMD for one minute. I have always assumed this was about getting the oil (and where IS all that oil, by the way?) and getting our military strategically situated for the resource wars that may yet come.
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 10:57 AM
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22. I want the oil -Cheney
Ok sure the lies told by this administration to convince those prone to mindless flag waving of the need for a "pre-emptive" invasion of a nation incapable of threatening us have ALL been exposed but look at the bright side: By unilaterally instigating an illegal and immoral war against the people currently living on top of the worlds second largest oil reserve we now have the cheapest gas prices in history....

Oh wait...

Well at least this administration is spending huge sums of money to develope alternative energy sources for...

uh whoops again...

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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 09:18 AM
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9. excellent!
Very well said.
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 09:28 AM
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10. this scandal should be named.....'The Passion of the Occupiers'...
....hypocracy knows NO bounds...this is all just another example of the self righteous hypocritical mindset that somehow...we are a moral and GOD LIKE species...especially 'murikkans...instead of the lowly animals that we ARE and most definitely still behave like. x(
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 10:10 AM
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14. great article.
The Passion of the Occupiers.
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 10:31 AM
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16. Thanks!
.....let's face it....it fits! :evilfrown:
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 09:32 AM
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11. Perhaps another article, Will ?
How much revenge is enough? Where do we stop? Obviously not Afghanistan?
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Don_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 09:45 AM
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13. Try Telling That To Dimbo
Having lost the moral "high ground" and with Rummy promising the worst is yet to come, Halliburton is pulling the plug on outside communications in Iraq in an effort in Damage Control.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1560664

They have also forgotten or ignored the fact that the first rotation of troops have come home and have related their experiences to their families and piqued the interest of a few curious reporters.
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babzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 10:19 AM
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15. rape is not sex
sex is a consensual act, rape is an act of violence.

"These photos and videos, also from the Abu Ghraib prison, are reported to show U.S. soldiers having gang sex with an Iraqi woman, U.S. soldiers beating an Iraqi man nearly to death, U.S. troops posing, smirks affixed, with decomposing Iraqi bodies, and Iraqi troops under U.S. command raping young boys."

I sure hope you understand the difference.


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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 01:25 PM
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25. I changed that to 'gang rape' in the final final.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 01:39 PM
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27. Thanks Will
I had a feeling that once you had a chance to see the comments on this that you'd seriously consider making the change. And I appreciate that you did.

It does my heart good to know that at least one place in the media people will see all of this called what it really is...rape not "sex"...and torture not "abuse".
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babzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 02:33 PM
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30. great, 3rd edit's a charm
still curious as to the reasoning behind the language in the first 2 versions.

:shrug:
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 02:41 PM
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31. Actually the relevant section is not in the original version
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1543477

I went back to look again because I couldn't believe I would have missed the issue the first time around. :)
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babzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 03:11 PM
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33. great, now the question is why it was revised to state as much?
still curious as to the reasoning behind the language in the above revised and updated version.

Seems like a pretty blatant mistatement, I'm surprised the author didn't know better.

:shrug:
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 03:35 PM
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34. Well, I can't speak for Will, but...
the first draft of this piece was written last Thursday, prior to the allegations in the 4th paragraph of this article being brought to light. I'd imagine he added them in on edit to strengthen his argument about how the reasons for this war, especially all the reasons that had to do with Saddam being a bad person and oh look aren't you all better off now with the US in charge, have been proven false.

As to why he chose the language he did...he's gonna have to answer that one himself. He's been informed of our concerns and has changed the final version...which is probably more than we can hope for from most of the media. *sigh*
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 03:40 PM
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36. And...
Edited on Sun May-09-04 03:41 PM by WilliamPitt
The five articles I read on the matter called it "sex" and not "rape." For the record, y'all, I changed it before you asked me to. I actually changed it about 5 minutes after I posted the above. But hey, we're all a bunch of editors, right? Next time, do my research for me.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 03:45 PM
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37. You know, when I thought you changed it...
because we asked I thought you were a good guy.

Knowing you had changed it even before then...I know you're a good guy. :)

Doing your research for ya probably wouldn't have helped...every article I've seen about it so far has called it sex instead of rape. It's infuriating and somehow I doubt that the emails I sent out about it to those sources are gonna have one tenth the impact a plea to you would. But we'll see. I live in hope. :)
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 03:38 PM
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35. That's how it appeared in the articles I read
Sorry if my immediate word choice displeased you. I based it on my work.
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babzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 04:01 PM
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38. its much more than displeasure on my part.
I would characterize it as prickly righteous anger.

Displeased is a rather weak interpretation of my reaction to your characterizations vis a vis sex vs. rape.

Let me get this straight, the reason you can't differentiate between gang sex and gang rape is because that is how it appeared in the articles you read?

Are you saying that the base of your work consists of cutting & pasting? Give me an immediate break.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 04:13 PM
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39. No, I tend to make judgments independent of the data in my research
Isn't that the right way to do things?
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babzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 05:05 PM
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41. your judgment is what I address
How is this an example of making judgments independent of your research? You claimed above that your phrasing was due to the language in the articles you had read.

My answer to your question is: If the independent data of your research results in the judgment that leads you to characterize a gang rape as "gang sex" I can only say, no, that is not the right way to do things.

The fact that you decided to use the phrase "gang sex" when reporting on the Iraqi woman and then decided to use the phrase "raping young boys" in the same paragraph leads me to believe your judgment in this matter is a bit confused.

As far as calling for someone else to do your research, that will not compensate for your bad call. The buck stops with you when you put your name on the byline.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 05:18 PM
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42. Well then it's a good thing
I changed the language before any of you got on my case, and before it got published under my byline.
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babzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 05:29 PM
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44. I'd really like an explanation.
In regards to your use of the phrase gang sex, how is this an example of you making judgments independent of your research?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 05:35 PM
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45. Explanation
I used the wrong word, basically because I saw the word "sex" used in every article I referenced on the matter. About 3 minutes after I posted the version above, I went back to the original and changed the word before sending it off to truthout.

Frankly, I don't owe you an explanation, but there it is. Take it or...well, you know.
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babzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 05:53 PM
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46. Frankly, I didn't say you owed me an explanation
I merely wondered what you were thinking with that particular phraseology, where it came from and then took it upon myself to point out why I thought it was wrong.

Don't get huffy on me for pointing out that yours and the 6 articles you researched characterized rape as sex.

I assume the reason you post the articles here before truthout is to get feedback. If I am mistaken in that assumption, do tell. I won't do your research, but I will tell you what I think.

You are quite welcome for saving you the embarrassment of characterizing gang rape as gang sex in your final final final version of the article, whatever your reasons were.

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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:15 PM
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48. Geez, babz you made your point.
And it was already fixed. Why don't you give it a rest. Or are you out there on the firing line, publishing stuff under your OWN byline everyday? If you're not, then quit beating a dead horse.

Bake
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 10:43 AM
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18. Excellent Will! Wes Clark reitterated this theme this morning
He said the odds were against us 2:1. He's right. Yeah, we could go in there and carpet bomb the whole of iraq. We could "nuke em til the desert sands turned to glass" (a favorite call of the war mongers around where I live). The point is, the war is LOST already. Bush told us we were going to war in Iraq because Saddam had WMD that he was going to sell to terrorists. Then when this became apparantly false, he changed his tune to "we are there to liberate the Iraqi people." Now that has been proven false, as well. This is a war with no purpose other than to exact revenge for poppy - period. Our country is hated world wide, and this president is the most hated person on the globe - more hated even than Ossama Bin Laden! The world is infinitely more dangerous for Americans today than it was before the war on terror (or terra as Bush says) began. Hey, maybe this a war on Terra - it's a war on the earth - its resources and its people.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 10:56 AM
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20. One point - otherwise great piece
Edited on Sun May-09-04 10:57 AM by supernova
I would echo the comment about fixing "gang sex" with a woman compared with "rape" of a boy. Both are acts of agression and power more than acts of sex. The only place a woman "enjoys" a gang bang is in someone's sick idea of a porn movie.

Great piece otherwise. It shows the futility of fighting the all-encompassing "War on an Abstract Noun."
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 11:59 AM
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23. Rape - Murder - Mercenaries - Corruption and Nepotism with Contractors
The American taxpayer can only bear so much weight.

The problem still exist
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revcarol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 12:19 PM
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24. Know you can't cover everything...
maybe for your next piece, you can do "Contractors of Death, Destruction and Torture Get Rich."

Agree about the rape thingie.

Good job, and "TAKE THAT LIEBERMAN!!"
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 02:06 PM
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28. Good piece Will
But the war was lost the minute it started. Way back when we were all marching against it and we knew it would end up like this.
It should have never happened, there was never a reason for it., and US citizens were sold a package wrapped up in ribbons, a package full of lies and shit.
Unfortunately they believed it.
In the meantime, Kerry can pretend and cover up his sorry ass vote for the whole thing, but his feet will be held to the fire (if people dont get complacent).
Darker days ahead, Im afraid.
The repercussions of what this war has created are coming home to roost.
Our economy is being destroyed.
Our national treasury is looted.
Our children are going hungry.
Our elderly are dying from lack of heat and medicine they can afford.
This is how the end of an empire looks.

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 02:44 PM
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32. So why does Congress stop short of demanding that Bush and Cheney
be held accountable and tried for war crimes? Shouldn't they be removed from office according to the Constitution for no longer being able to discharge the duties of their offices? Why just stop at Rumsfeld? There is no doubt in my mind that waiting to vote them out in November might be too late.
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_Wayne_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 04:18 PM
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40. There's lots of truth here, but it's sloppy writing
It looks rushed, and the cadence is terrible. I even saw a few grammatical errors. It's very unlike other William Pitt pieces.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 05:19 PM
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43. Well, here's the final version
http://truthout.org/docs_04/051004A.shtml

Point out the errors, please.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 12:52 PM
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47. Just read it at truthout.... Fantastic!!
quote:
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This war is lost. I mean not just the Iraq war, but George W. Bush's ridiculous "War on Terror" as a whole.

I say ridiculous because this "War on Terror" was never, ever something we were going to win. What began on September 11 with the world wrapping us in its loving embrace has collapsed today in a literal orgy of shame and disgrace. This happened, simply, because of the complete failure of moral leadership at the highest levels.

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You have a way with words, man. :yourock:
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sebble1 Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:38 PM
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49. maybe not totally lost
the other side as there always is

Subject: News from Iraq-Much better than what we read and hear in the news




Subject: Letter to the Legion



Dear Post 45,

I caught wind of and read the recent news articles being circulated
back there in the states. I figured I could clarify some things for you.
As usual the news media has blown some things way out of proportion. The
countryside is getting more safe by the day despite all the attacks you are
hearing about. Imagine every shooting incident or robbery committed in LA
or Portland being blown way out of proportion. This is a country where
most of the Saddam Hussein thugs are being chased around like scared rabbits
by
Coalition forces. It is literally open season on them! We hunt them down
like animals. There were about a million soldiers in the Iraqi army at the
beginning of hostilities and most of them took off before we attacked.
There are some that were very loyal to Saddam that are trying to sneak around
and take pot shots at us. We are cleaning them up pretty fast. There are also
thugs from other countries running around, like Iran and Syria. Well the
Iraqis hate these thugs as much as we do. So the Iraqi people are hunting
them down too! I can honestly say 98% of the population of Iraq love us
and they do not want us to leave...ever! They say as long as we are here they
feel safe.

What is going on with the countries infrastructure? Everything is
going well! The railroad is running again! The railroad has not run since
1991. In the city of Hilllah, the power stays on 24 hours a day and it has
more power than prior to the war. Some Iraqis are worried about getting
too much food from the coalition because they don't have enough room in their
homes to store it. The markets are open. The Seabees have rebuilt all of
the schools and put in furniture and chalkboards. The kids used to sit on the
floor! Now they have nice desks to sit at. Commerce is running. New money
is being printed. The Iraqi Dinar has stabilized and is now increasing in
value. Most of the Iraqi men want to buy Chevy pickups (I told them a
Dodge Ram with a Cummins Diesel is better Ha Ha). They pretty much want any
vehicle made by General Motors. The highways and bridges are being
repaired. In the Universities, the girls have tossed their deshakas (long
black dresses with head and face coverings) and are now wearing western
style clothes and even some are wearing short sleeves. The favorite drink
is Pepsi, followed by Coke. They want us to bring them any and everything
American. Any item made in America or that is from America is worth money
over here.

The newspapers and television paint a picture of doom and gloom and
that we are having major problems over here. That is just not the case.
The Iraqis have a saying about the situation over here "Every day is Better
than the day before". Life is flowing back in to this country and it is fun
to
watch and I am so glad I got to watch it happen. Some days watching the
Iraqi people is like watching the faces of little kids on Christmas Day!
Many of them are walking around in a daze wondering what to do with their
freedom. They are starting businesses everywhere. They want to build
shopping malls and factories, they want McDonalds and Jack in the Box and
Pizza Hut. Of course anything American Fast Food, because of the stories
the troops are telling them. We give them our old newspapers and magazines
that you have been sending us and they are absolutely flabbergasted when they
read them! They want us to keep bringing them. They read every single page
even the advertisements over and over! This would be a good time for media
to get their magazines going over here because the Iraqis just love them.

So in short you see I will give you the straight scoop and keep you
informed of what is up over here. I will sign off for now and send this
along. Thanks again to all of you for your support. My mailing address
has changed. The older one is no longer working. I will tell you the new one
as soon as we get it.

Senior Chief Art Messer
22 Naval Construction Regiment (Forward) Task Force Charlie
U. S. Navy Seabees
"With Compassion For Others, We Build, We Fight, For Peace With Freedom"

FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!





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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 01:46 PM
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50. Thanks, Karl. This one is a keeper:
Some days watching the
Iraqi people is like watching the faces of little kids on Christmas Day!
Many of them are walking around in a daze wondering what to do with their
freedom"


I guess one of them decided to trade his freedom for a leash! them wacky Iraqis!
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