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panzerfaust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 05:00 AM
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Aussies torture kittens: Debasement part of military makeup?
I aver that it is: That ritualized, casual, and thoughtless debasement and intimidation is part of military culture. There are, many, things to be admired in the military – courage, loyalty, selfless service - but beneficence and compassion are not among them.

ABC News reports:

“...One of the kittens was dragged behind a motorcycle and then crushed under the wheel of a four wheel drive. Three others were set alight.

Magistrate David Glasgow said the six soldiers from the 10th Force Support Battalion had brought disgrace and dishonour to the Army and fined them $2,000 each...”


Support our Troops: Bring them Home for Supervision.

Please don't bother to flame me about “not understanding”: I served/survived 5 years active duty, 8 years reserve, and did a tour in Viet Nam during Tet. I just recognize that military service, especially all volunteer military service, appeals to some personality types more than to others.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 05:18 AM
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1. More or less same routine and tradition with American military.
I read a book about how inductees for Vietnam were processed. Their sargeant would be talking to them in a classroom, holding a cute bunny-rabbit. The instructor would be petting and carressing the rabbit throughout the lecture, with some pauses to talk lovingly to the pet. The GI's would half-listen to the lecture and the other part of the time start digging the rabbit. They would wish they had one too.

After about 10 minutes of this demonstration, all of a sudden the instructor would take out a large knife and slit the rabbit from chin to tail with agonizing results.

The GI's would freak out (normal reaction) to this shock-and-awe. The instructor would calmly explain to them that he did this to make a point. And the point was that the GI's would be tight emotionally as a unit, as partners, etc. in combat. And because any of them could be suddenly maimed or killed in front of them at any given time, they had to keep their wits and continue their mission, whether it was to protect their unit or to kill the enemy in general.

I figure if that was normal operations 40 years ago, things can only have degenerated further.
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panzerfaust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 05:34 AM
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3. Fireteam, Unit, Corps, Country, God
Is the order in which loyalty and duty are taught to be given.

This chain of loyalty quickly leads to "just following orders".

That defense was not accepted from the Germans by us as an explanation for war-crimes, I wonder that we now want it accepted from us by the world.
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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 05:31 AM
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2. If I recall correctly, at least of the early recruits, trainees within
the élite 1st SS Panzer Division Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler were given dogs to care for throughout their training and were then ordered to kill the dogs they'd grown so close to. They were among the most phenomnal soldiers in the modern era, but what a scummy way to 'harden' them. Effective, maybe, but absolutely horrible.

These Australians were drunken larrikans -- oh, what a shock to find drunk people in Queensland -- and, to me, their actions are even worse than if they'd been required to kill kittens as part of their training...this was recreation to them. Fines are a start, but not enough -- may those involved be attacked by tigers while on training exercises in Asia.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 06:17 AM
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4. Fuck, Train, Kill

motto of marine corp training facility (unofficial)
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 06:40 AM
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5. Good reading here:
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