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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 08:50 AM
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General Taguba already being "punished" for his courageous report...
http://nytimes.com/2004/05/11/international/middleeast/11CND-ABUS.html?hp

Excerpted:

General Taguba, who was born in 1950 in Manila, is the second highest ranking Filipino-American in the Army. He is deputy commanding general of the Third Army and of the Coalition Forces Land Component Command in Kuwait, a post he took up last July.

The Pentagon announced Friday that he would soon take a new post in Washington as a deputy assistant secretary for reserve affairs, a move that in Army culture is not seen as a major promotion.

<>Under the scope set by his superiors, the inquiry was limited to the conduct of a military police brigade. But General Taguba used it to deliver a much broader indictment.

Among the findings laid out in the report was what General Taguba described as his strong suspicion that military intelligence officers and private contractors "were either directly or indirectly responsible for the abuses."

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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 08:55 AM
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1. Punishment of the innocent
Six Phases of a Project:
1. Enthusiasm
2. Disillusionment
3. Panic
4. Search for the Guilty
5. Punishment of the Innocent
6. Praise and Reward for the Non-participants
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 09:04 AM
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2. So sadly true.
What is the source for "Six phases of a project". I'd love to read more.

We must show our support and gratitude for Gen Taguba.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 09:11 AM
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3. WTF????? Whistle Blowers Reward??? Was he expected to C/U?
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 09:20 AM
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5. He rocked the boat. He embarassed Pentagon and Executive leaders.
There's absolutely no question that he sacrificed his career in order to come even as close to honesty as he did. Remember, he didn't "go all the way."
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 09:16 AM
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4. Is the cover up just starting?
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 09:24 AM
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6. The General's father was a prisoner of War in WWII
I doubt he gives a flying fuck about retribution from the WH or from rumsfeld because he chose to tell the truth. It will soon become a badge of honor to be "punished" by these thugs.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 09:28 AM
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7. Yeah I read an article on that at the NY Times
but it will be used to suggest that he had a personal motive for dealing with this issue. "Well see, this guy already has it in for the American Military. So naturally he trumped up these stories of abuse."

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 09:35 AM
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8. Other generals risking their careers
The Army especially. The Major General of the 82nd Airborne in a career ending statement says the war is unwinnable among other things. The army has been critical from the get especially in regards to troop numbers and support.

ALL of these guys coming out in ones, twos and threes have patently more to say than the secretive flag bundling chickenhawk conquerors. Yet it is like punching a huge bean bag trying to create an effect in the media. The media always has a trumpet line open to the most slanted, ludicrous blather of the most absurd and idiotic spins of the WH- though the whole world knows better, the whole world burns.

I don't know how to characterize the seventies, sans Internet, when the whole world was pretty much of an opinion against us but no one was sharing information like we are now.

Now their are cracks a mile wide, all the wider for the incompetent arrogance and desperate stupidity of the WH that is honored with total control over the biggest gated community on the planet.

Now I wonder which is worse. The limited info and the divided America back then or the facts scorching everyone's fingertips and the divisions STILL there with increased(but not total) corporate media spin.

Time to blow those cracks wide open no matter if the majority(on the top!) is sitting on their hands, befuddled, trying to find a nice way to make the fuss go away.

Simply incredible that this coverup, at best surely only a stall of the inevitable, is trying to mitigate and limit the war crime prisoner policy that was absolutely sanctioned and widespread and evident from day one to now if not before. After all, thanks to the net we don't have to wait for investigators or historians to tell us that Gitmo was built months before(KB &R) 9/11 in preparation for the Iraq War at least. That alone is a 1+1 equation any fool can solve.

There has been some talk that the WH is heavy handed from on top but is losing sight of the smaller things, the papers and chains. As many as there are that number is finite, especially if you hit them with facts and references not goombah propaganda. One major component of Kerry's campaign should be to hit all the legit local media.

Those that are not legit are as divided in absurdity as the Bush team is. Are they defending torture that Bush has now condemned or what? By what conceivable shrinkage of the imagination can they see how any peace or democracy can be achieved by this team and their "plan"? They are getting troops killed or worse by following Bush(who renounced his own general plan in hypocritical double talk obvious to the whole world). Sane people are drowned out by THIS crap? Honorable people are going career kamikaze on deaf ears, dumb hearts?

Resignations, investigations. Get the world in this and resolve Iraq before anymore innocent blood is shed. Our PR contest back here is a feast of blood and demonic babble. There may be some who now really prefer fascism to America. Now the majority should stop them.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 11:59 AM
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9. They want him in DC, so they can keep an eye on him
he's too high profile now, to do anything drastic to him, but by plopping him in the pentagon, they can "kill him with a thousand paper-cuts"...and hopefully, he will just "retire" and fade away..
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