Senate Armed Services Committee Meeting.. (on nbc now) #2

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1575399

:loveya: I just woke up :donut:

you're welcome!!!

lack of planning for the invasion in Iraq.

Cambone doesn't know! Has to check his records.
Question: doesn't Bremer have the responsibility for what went on in the prisons.
Cambone obfuscating again!!! I hate this guy. Just invasion of useful space with a walking-dead jerk.

No one remembers anything. No one knows anything. No one gave any orders. We have no idea how this garden party got out of hand.

acquired through the supreme court in 2000.

have to look it up, These guys are running our military yet talk about unprepared!

Just mentioned by a witness--he listed three camps, and those were two of the three mentioned.

I think one is called Camp Bush.

as Taguba says, are they being set up to take the fall?

failure/

At what was happening in prisoners. Lamebone: Info not at that high a level.

to protect their superiors. They must really be terrified of the civilian military administrators.

I agree...

He knows what to ask, and where his toast is buttered.

his service, both Kennedy and Byrd have.

There's George Tenet again...... :shrug:

so what Taguba is saying could very well be the truth but it doesn't negate the "word of mouth" order, imo.

I think he will eventually tell all he knows.

The Pentagon insisted on his superiors being there. I'm surprised they didn't bring in a relative from the old country to sit in the gallery as an implicit threat (see Godfather II).

General Taguba has served as a brigade commander, but he has not held a division command, a step often seen as as a prerequisite for those who aspire to the Army's very highest ranks. The Pentagon announced Friday that he would soon take a new post in Washington as a deputy assistant secretary for reserve affairs, a move that in Army culture is not seen as a major promotion.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/11/politics/11TAGU.html?pagewanted=2&ei=1&en=0ba030c732e1e3b3&ex=1085243352

is systemic and that hundreds were involved in the torture.


failure?

legal basis.

word of mouth order (for torture/abuse) would contradict all regulations and training manuals..

exactly, there is no "legal" basis to follow an order to "soften up
the prisoners"

no legal basis to issue the order implicates the command

no legal basis to follow the order implicates the enlisted

any way? were they acting on their on volition as taguba stated?

Dog wanted out...

:)

To prevent illegal volition in troops.

So, where were the officers? WHO WAS IN CHARGE? WHO GAVE THE ORDERS OR FAILED TO STOP THE BEHAVIOR?

bullshit!!!

"Setting the conditions" doesn't require written orders.

I was watching James Inhofe R of Oklahoma on the investigating committee refer to Mugabe the investigator and others as "Humanitarian do gooders crawling around the prison". MY God he damn near makes Rush look compassionate.

and muslims are nothing but shit.

xian reconstructionist to the core...waiting, hoping for the apocalypse, and doing his fundamentalist damnedest to make sure it happens in his lifetime.

But that the rest of us are left to follow our own beliefs.

I'd never want to keep a man from his apocalypse.

Wayne Allard R of Colorado clarified that these were not terrorists. Mr. Inhofe had decided they were all "turrurists" so we could do what we want with them....(screaming pulling hair at total ignorance of Inhofe). I think we should all call his office and suggest a brain transplant, his is obviously bad.

Cambone: We are in agreement

Reed (-D): I don't think we are Mr Cambone. <snip> Please, please (stop spinning)!

After which, he will absolve the entire dept. of defense higher ups.

Uh, a statement by Sen. Allard:

"The prisoner scandal is being used as a fundraiser for the Kerry campaign." or some such..

Kerry is using this abuse scandal as a fund raiser? Give me a break!!

Needs to "get this off a table"?

Seriously - fuck Allard.

his campaign. Anybody knows?

if you scroll down, there is a donate button.

until now...What's HE talking about?! Are they trying to say that because Kerry finds this disgraceful and wants to hold those who ordered this accountable while campaigning? They'd like to keep this entire event under the carpet because they're worried their boy is going down!

that Kerry is using this horrific situation as a fundraiser. Sounds like a Bush directive.

campaign! Good things that are happening in Iraq.

Good God!

:puke:

Allard is an ass. He called Abu Ghraib "Abu Gabi."

the abuse, donated by the freepers who think brown skinned people can't govern themselves

of the fundraising pictures of George W. on the plane on 9/11. What did they charge for those suckers, 100$ or something like that? talk about partisan use of a tragedy for political fundraising...pot meet kettle

Sen. Wayne Allard . . . what a maroon.

TYY

thanks. thought I'd heard that incorrectly. Guess not.

to tell them he's a scumbag. Anyone have a number?

Washington, D.C.
521 Dirksen Senate Office Bldg.
Washington , D.C. 20510


202-224-5941

and this is not the time for such nonsense.

the richest, best equipped, with enormous amount of weight throughout the world, --no one knows what the other is doing--

The CIA is stupid, and the military command is stupid. The president is stupid, his cabinet is stupid

we are so stupid that soldiers are unsupervised in a great big prison.

Everybody is stupid--what a good job Bush has done, eh

They are searching for a rule of law to classify and sequester the evidence.

No Evidence..end of story!

Especially junior cabal intelligence, 'eh?

we can all relax now, just get rid of the cameras and all is well! Yikes, double Yikes!

to say that these pictures were all taken between 2 - 4 AM when a few soldiers were unsupervised on night shift and that the problem is not systemic.

Intel already trying to float that spin on the internet.

"they were not supervising"

"guards looked at them as a competent authority"

my husband is sputtering while watching...he can't believe the lies from Cambone...

<snip>

Speculation that "John Israel" may be an intelligence cover name has fueled speculation whether this individual could have been one of a number of Israeli interrogators hired under a classified contract. Because U.S. citizenship and documentation thereof are requirements for a U.S. security clearance, Israeli citizens would not be permitted to hold a Top Secret clearance. However, dual U.S.-Israeli citizens could have satisfied Pentagon requirements that interrogators hold U.S. citizenship and a Top Secret clearance. Although the Taguba report refers twice to Israel as an employee of Titan, the company claims he is one of their sub-contractors. CACI stated that one of the men listed in the report "is not and never has been a CACI employee" without providing more detail. A U.S. intelligence source revealed that in the world of intelligence "carve out" subcontracts such confusion is often the case with "plausible deniability" being a foremost concern.

In fact, the Taguba report does reference the presence of non-U.S. and non-Iraqi interrogators at Abu Ghraib. The report states, "In general, US civilian contract personnel (Titan Corporation, CACI, etc), third country nationals, and local contractors do not appear to be properly supervised within the detention facility at Abu Ghraib."

The Pentagon is clearly concerned about the outing of the Taguba report and its references to CACI, Titan, and third country nationals, which could permanently damage U.S. relations with Arab and Islamic nations. The Pentagon's angst may explain why the Taguba report is classified Secret No Foreign Dissemination.

<snip>

During his testimony before the Senate Armed Service Committee, Rumsfeld was pressed upon by Senator John McCain about the role of the private contractors in the interrogations and abuse. McCain asked Rumsfeld four pertinent questions, ". . . who was in charge? What agency or private contractor was in charge of the interrogations? Did they have authority over the guards? And what were the instructions that they gave to the guards?" When Rumsfeld had problems answering McCain's question, Lt. Gen. Lance Smith, the Deputy Commander of the U.S. Central Command, said there were 37 contract interrogators used in Abu Ghraib. The two named contractors, CACI and Titan, have close ties to the Israeli military and technology communities. Last January 14, after Provost Marshal General of the Army, Major General Donald Ryder, had already uncovered abuse at Abu Ghraib, CACI's President and CEO, Dr. J.P. (Jack) London was receiving the Jerusalem Fund of Aish HaTorah's Albert Einstein Technology award at the Jerusalem City Hall, with right-wing Likud politician Israeli Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz and ultra-Orthodox United Torah Judaism party Jerusalem Mayor Uri Lupolianski in attendance. Oddly, CACI waited until February 2 to publicly announce the award in a press release. CACI has also received grants from U.S.-Israeli bi-national foundations.

Titan also has had close connections to Israeli interests. After his stint as CIA Director, James Woolsey served as a Titan director. Woolsey is an architect of America's Iraq policy and the chief proponent of and lobbyist for Ahmad Chalabi of the Iraqi National Congress. An adviser to the neo-conservative Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, Jewish Institute of National Security Affairs, Project for the New American Century, Center for Security Policy, Freedom House, and Committee for the Liberation of Iraq, Woolsey is close to Stephen Cambone, the Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence, a key person in the chain of command who would have not only known about the torture tactics used by U.S. and Israeli interrogators in Iraq but who would have also approved them. Cambone was associated with the Project for the New American Century and is viewed as a member of Rumsfeld's neo-conservative "cabal" within the Pentagon.

<snip>

http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen05102004.html

and make this a stable country. Sessions your session should be timed out!

Jesus, I thought this was a Q & A session not a trip down Jeff Sessions' memory fucking lane.

"now briefing at every shift change at AG"

talking points, talking points....

listen to them slurrr....

What committee or commission were they talking about that Cambone has been appointed to? One of them congratulated him? I wasn't watching at the time, just heard it or thought I heard it.

how much damage they are doing by trying to defend these actions? Don't they realize how widespread the torture and abuse was? Are they stupid or ignorant? They sure are isolationists!!!


As President Bush put it, they are an exceptional "few bad apples"
whose actions "do not reflect the nature of our country."

how did their head know what their ass was doing without a guard mount?

This guy is such a loser. Last Friday they interviewed him on NPR nad he exposed himself as a total neocon tool. As ALL the repukes are.

fucking asshole

blameless....

Not quite sure where it was directed, though.

Sessions? others?

:grr:

Call it what it is, dammit.

Rape.

it's torture...it's rape...time to own this for what it is

gawds...if ever a language police was needed...

.. and all of that bushit. We need structural change in our foreign policy , not band-aids.

Why not? What is his job, exactly?