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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 01:54 PM
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Poll question: Was it rape or did she want comfort?
From another post re the MP "having sex" with the female prisoner"...which sadly confirms for me why progressives have lost ground when it comes for standing for anything. I would have thought I'd see this on a freep site or some site where men who hate women can justify anything...but not here:

According to you, and a number of other posters, a female prisoner could never be having sex with a guard because she wants comforting -- a prisoner looking to be comforted? -- or because she is just plain horny.

Or do you believe that women don't get aroused? They only fake it to get a ring on their finger?

Or worse yet, do you believe that women can get aroused, but only after a suitable courtship? And if so, how do you explain male strippers?


All that being said, if I felt there was a chance in heck of our finding out the truth, I would bet this was a case of rape. Instead, I'll bet we never find out with any surety.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 01:56 PM
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1. un-f'ing-believable
:puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke:
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 01:59 PM
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2. Alright, now that I've expunged the contents of my stomach
I can s....oh, no, wait, I read it again....:puke:
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 01:59 PM
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3. I read this and saw the quotes..then I had to go read the other thread
cause I had not done so simply because of the title..and I..well..I...damn




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kitkatrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 02:07 PM
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8. Me too.
At first, I came in here to blast NSMA, then I read the quotes. I had to go read the first thread, and now I need to take another bath. I just ate lunch; now, I'm trying to keep it down.

:puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke::puke:

There really aren't enough emoticons for how I feel right now. ;(
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 02:01 PM
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4. Oh she was begging for it
from that big old hunky American GI.

Prison porn will rot what's left of your brain, if you had one to start with....:puke:
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 02:05 PM
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5. Who to hell voted that she wanted comfort??!?!?!?
WTF???
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 02:06 PM
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6. Also a lot of porno aficionados on DU who claim
Edited on Tue May-11-04 02:08 PM by Ripley
the pics circulating here a few weeks ago of men raping women could not possibly be our soldiers. The reasons given included 1) they had on black shoes and green (non-desert) camo, and 2) the pics were on a "rape-niche" porno site.

1. There is a pic on GD right now that shows the first court-martial guy in the prison abuse standing over naked Iraqi's with black shoes on and a MI guy standing near him is outfitted in green camo.

2. Just because something is on a porno site, doesn't mean these women are actresses and it is "staged." Maybe they weren't our soldiers in the porno, but how would you know if it was a real rape or not?

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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 02:41 PM
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14. missed those pictures
have only read about the rape(s) from the reports of the military report.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 02:06 PM
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7. Are you 100% certain that NOTHINGshocksyouanymore???
Good grief.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 02:18 PM
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11. Disgust is distinct from shock for me and I haven't been this disgusted
since a poster who also watched too much porn and happened to be male posted on a rape thread a scenario wherein a stoned woman runs around a camp for the oversexed with a sign that says "please rape me" while out of her mind on drugs ..in order to inject a grey area into a rape thread.

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 02:10 PM
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9. No shortage of sick #$&*(@%s... nope - plenty to choose from
:puke:

Thanks for sharing, NSMA, in case any of us were under the delusion that liberal guys don't have any 'issues' where women are concerned.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 02:15 PM
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10. I have to assume this was ...
... written by a man. One whose understanding of women is in zero range.
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GumboYaYa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 02:19 PM
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12. Yeah, she needed to be "comforted" so badly that she
she decided it was worth being ostracized from her society. We all know how prison guards are known for their compassion.

That is just so sick.
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skippysmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 02:25 PM
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13. well, no, she was asking for it, of course
you know, in those skimpy prisoner uniforms.

/sarcasm

it amazes me what some so-called progressives spew.


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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 02:52 PM
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15. Uggghhhh........... God, even here we attract misogynists!
Re: the quotes from other DUers mentioned: such thinly masked disdain for women is frightening IMO, especially among so-called liberal progressives. It is sad, disheartening, and I'm going to get out of here before I feel obliged to take on one of these posters who clearly thinks all women are really whores at heart.
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 03:17 PM
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16. The women are prisoners
and the soldiers are in positions of power. Rape is about power.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 03:56 PM
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19. Absolutely... 'Rape is about power'
What is underlying the tendency in some, to refuse to believe that? What causes some (otherwise seemingly progressive types, much less their FREEPER counterpars) to prefer to come up with some kind of ridiculous scenario that excuses the behavior or somehow makes it the woman's fault.... Very few seem to have problems acknowledging that the sodomization and sexual intimidation/humiliation of male prisoners is RAPE/TORTURE, so why do some automatically look for reasons for why the sexual torture of the women is NOT?

I don't know if it is just plain ignorance or something far more insidious.....
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 04:09 PM
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21. Something far more insidious
far older, and far more important to rid ourselves of if we're ever to evolve.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 03:20 PM
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17. I'm sure the juvenille kid who was sodomized needed comfort, too
I'm sure he'll rewatch the video and think back fondly of his time in that hellhole prison.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 03:44 PM
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18. that is the best response yet
to contemplate if she is missing that moment of intimacy that was captured forever by a bystander during the moment of comforting intimacy to be passed around as a prize by others across the internet and around the prison...

Still find it amazing that this "argument" arose in the first place.
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 04:07 PM
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20. It was rape BY DEFINITION.
She was a prisoner, fer Chrissakes. If her captor has sex with her, it's rape because of the power he has over her. Jesus.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 04:10 PM
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22. I alerted on that & am yanking the welcome mat
except for special occasions.

No more "welcome to DU" so these creeps rack up 1000 posts of filth.

Not everyone with 1000+ posts here is a progressive. It is time to ferret these people out. No more Mr. Nice Guy.

That was abolutely DISGUSTING.
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narcjen Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 04:11 PM
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23. Photos
Edited on Tue May-11-04 04:12 PM by narcjen
"1. There is a pic on GD right now that shows the first court-martial guy in the prison abuse standing over naked Iraqi's with black shoes on and a MI guy standing near him is outfitted in green camo."

If those rape pictures were real, the guys in them were probably mercs, who could have been wearing anything. Mercs don't wear standard uniforms.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 04:39 PM
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24. That's why I dont spend much time on DU anymore
I'm getting tired of arguing with Freepers
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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 06:54 PM
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25. That was one of the most shameful and disgusting things I've ever read....
Edited on Tue May-11-04 06:56 PM by Selwynn
..here at DU.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 07:09 PM
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26. I have been feeling like I need a shower all afternoon
*shakes head*
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