28 top federal workers have bogus college degrees

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Among those with bogus degrees in the GAO review were three workers with emergency operations roles and security clearances at the National Nuclear Security Administration, part of the Department of Energy.
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Three unaccredited schools -- Pacific Western University, California Coast University and Kennedy-Western University -- provided data showing that 463 of their students were federal employees. Most of those listed were in the Department of Defense. The report did not name employees.


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http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/2563064

Todays Houston Chronicle is just chock full o'strangeness

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It's not as if he could have earned either an undergrad or graduate degree.

.... I'm almost positive of it.

if so, that would make this almost a complete non-issue, right?

looking BEFORE leaping is almost always a good idea....

but might not have been in such elevated positions until recently - article doesn't say either way. its no surprise that people with padded/fake resumes might get into the civil service, but once applying for such high level positions it would be expected that those making the hiring decisions - i.e. bushco - would check experience and references.....

a civil servant, working in the fed gvt for 15 years.... you think when a horizontal or slightly vertical position change comes up they're gonna check college records from decades ago? mebbe, but i wouldn't be surprised if the opposite were the case....

i could just as easily see this: "bob's been with us at xyz dept for 7 years, during which time he spearheaded this, led that, rode in the forefront of the other thing. before joining us, he was with 123 dept where he developed this, blahblahblah. as bob's direct supervisor, i can strongly recommend bob for this new position."

in such a situation, i can easily see how bob's college record might go unchecked....

Why in heaven's name would you think that? Hmmmmmm?

Do you know for a fact that there were people with these 'degrees' in powerful positions before bush took over? If so please do share more details.

believe you me - i'll not soon forget that people dearly love strawmanning via misleading quotation practices! bravo!

i mean, just look at this folks - here's what I said - a genuine nonmisleading quote:

"if so, that would make this almost a complete non-issue, right?"

compare/contrast with the misleading near-misquote:

" "No it would certainly NOT make it a 'complete non issue' as you say." "

(the extra quotation marks are required, as redqueen doesn't seem to comprehend the difference between use and mention)

i'm sure there's a political party somewhere in this country that would LOVE to have you working for them.... and you'd prolly love it right back...

The 2nd part of your reply wasn't nearly as good as the first - and I quote accurately and non-misleadingly:

"Do you know for a fact that there were people with these 'degrees' in powerful positions before bush took over?"

Um, no. Duh. That's why I asked.

lol - i sense a journalism major..... - they're known for, well, wutever...

Why does your post remind me of the ones asking if the victim of rape actually just wanted some comfort?

:puke:

um, no more so than franken's nerve got hit when he came up with lying liars and the lying lies that liars lie to other lying liars about....

as for:

"Why does your post remind me of the ones asking if the victim of rape actually just wanted some comfort?"

(note my unerring ability to accurately and non-misleadingly quote.)

To this, I can honestly answer: hell if I know. Hell, I don't even know what you're talking about - lol

puke all you want you misleading mis-quoter.

:eyes:

The fact is that there are 28 senior-level officials who did not earn the degrees they're decorating their resumes with.

(This ties into the fact that women are being RAPED in Iraqi prisons.)

In both threads (re: fake degrees and prisoners being raped), certain users have seen fit to try to 'water down' the charges by saying things like 'well, maybe the rape victim just wanted to be comforted - maybe it wasn't rape' ... or, in your case 'what if there were officials doing this before bush took over'.

Does that make it clear?

And re: single quotes vs. double quotes -- single quotes are for examples (among other things), double quotes are for direct quotes. Sad I have to spell all this out. But not surprising. Far from it.

now you claim to have not quoted me (by virtue of single quotes)? Priceless. Please, then, tell me what the function of the phrase "as you say" is in the following:

"No it would certainly NOT make it a 'complete non issue' as you say."

(sweet sassy molassy! another accurate non-misleading quote! i'm on a roll!)

Does the rest of your discussion re: multiple threads "make it clear"? I guess so. lol - it just has nothing to do with anything i said, suggested, or implied. lol - i didn't even know there *was* another thread - i just take threads as they cross my path - i don't have time to cross-reference and such things - lol - i leave that to misleading misquoters like you.

i had absolutely nothing to say about the relevance, or lack thereof, of fakers in govt to iraqi rapes. i had nothing to say about either iraqis or rapes or prisons simpliciter. i have no idea why you *think* i did either say, suggest, or imply anything whatsoever about the matter. mebbe it's because you read about as well as you quote? who knows why misleading misquoters mislead and misquote? I sure don't.

thank you and goodnight!

and they screamed bloody murder when a lap-top went missing for a week in los alamos during the clinton administration? guess having liars who are ill-educated running security was the way to fix the problems.....

Former Army scientist forged Ph.D. certificate, school says

Forgery is kind of intrigue in Hatfill's past attracting interest in anthrax case

By Scott Shane
Sun Staff

Originally published October 9, 2002

When recent reports in The Sun and other publications revealed that former Army bioweapons scientist Dr. Steven J. Hatfill had claimed a Ph.D. he had not received, he offered an explanation.

He had completed the work for the degree at Rhodes University in South Africa and assumed it had been granted, he said through his spokesman, Pat Clawson. Later, when he learned the degree had not been awarded, he stopped listing it on his resume, he said.

But when applying for a research job in 1995, Hatfill provided to the National Institutes of Health a handsome Rhodes University Ph.D. certificate in molecular cell biology with his name on it, signed by the university vice chancellor and other officials.
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http://www.baltimoresun.com/bal-te.hatfill09oct09,0,5372526.story
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The Hunt for the Anthrax Killer

The FBI still doesn’t have enough evidence to arrest anyone, but agents do have intriguing new clues. An exclusive look at the search for the perpetrator of America’s worst bioterror attack

By Mark Miller and Daniel Klaidman, NEWSWEEK

Aug. 12 issue -- The dogs, purebred bloodhounds with noses a thousand times more sensitive than a human’s, were barking and howling and straining at their leashes. Early last week FBI agents on the trail of last year’s anthrax attacker turned to a 16th-century technology to help solve a 21st-century crime.

AGENTS PRESENTED the canines with scent packs lifted from anthrax-tainted letters mailed to Sens. Tom Daschle and Patrick Leahy (long since decontaminated), hoping some faint, telltale trace of the perpetrator’s smell still remained months after the fact. The agents quietly brought the dogs to various locations frequented by a dozen people they considered possible suspects -- hoping the hounds would match the scent on the letters. In place after place, the dogs had no reaction. But when the handlers approached the Frederick, Md., apartment building of Dr. Steven J. Hatfill, an eccentric 48-year-old scientist who had worked in one of the Army’s top bioweapons-research laboratories, the dogs immediately became agitated, NEWSWEEK has learned. "They went crazy," says one law-enforcement source. The agents also brought the bloodhounds to the Washington, D.C., apartment of Hatfill’s girlfriend and to a Denny’s restaurant in Louisiana, where Hatfill had eaten the day before. In both places, the dogs jumped and barked, indicating they’d picked up the scent. (Bloodhounds are the only dogs whose powers of smell are admissible in court.)
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http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/bioter/huntanthraxkiller.html

Wonder what ever happened to this investigation...:shrug: