Why is Berg in a US-issued orange jumpsuit?

Hello? Media? Oops, CNN is giving "Post-prom tips for Parents" and Jon-Benet's dad is running for office. Too much "news" to bring any of this up.

prior to being released and being killed. I'm assuming that was us, or at least part of the "coalition".

Releasing him into the wilds of Iraq in prison gear. Strange. Media??

Sat, May. 08, 2004
West Chester contractor missing in Iraq

Associated Press

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He stayed until Feb. 1, making contact with a company that indicated there would likely be work for him later. But he returned on March 14 and there was no work, so he began traveling. He usually called home once a day and e-mailed several times; Michael Berg is his business manager, and they needed to stay in touch.

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When FBI agents arrived at the Berg's West Chester home on March 31, they were relieved to know their son was alive, but in jail. The agents questioned them about various details that only they and their son would know about.

Jerri Williams, spokeswoman for the Philadelphia FBI office, said the agency was "asked to interview the parents regarding Mr. Berg's purpose in Iraq."

On April 5, the Bergs filed suit in federal court in Philadelphia, contending that their son was being held illegally by the U.S. military in Iraq.

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Nick Berg said he would come home through Jordan, Turkey or Kuwait.

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The Bergs have hounded the State Department, the FBI and the International Committee of the Red Cross, seeking information. Michael Berg said the State Department sent an official to Nick Berg's hotel, where an employee told the official they had not heard of him.

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http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/news/politics/8621773.htm

maybe he saved it from when he was detained in one of the prisons, Some real journalist better pick this story up in a real way and investigate, from the interviews with the parents it looks like they won't let it go to easily.

Yeah, why was he in a typical US prsion jumpsuit? He'd been released from prison in Mosul after his dad started making a stink, and had travelled back to Baghdad. He was in his hotel room when last heard from, presumably NOT in prison orange but in his own threads.

The background on who he was and why he was in Iraq is at http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/news/politics/8621773.htm

Some of the background seems a little fishy, too, like his lack of employment once he got there. Was he looking for contracts for his small business? If he'd been trying to get a job with Halliburton or Bechtel, his odds would have been better had he applied here in the US. Why would a young guy with a Jewish last name and a US based small business go to Iraq without firm employment and no backup?

This whole thing stinks out loud, and the stench is oddly familiar.

In the video I saw they were hooded. How did you come to that determination?

savvy could zoom in on the eyes and see blue or green on a few

The taller one holding his body down was pretty close to the camera and his hands didn't look white at all. I'll wait before jumping to any conclusions.

they're not exactly in Antartica... they're in a sunny, desert environment and chances are, they've got suntans after one year of occupation.

Do "insurgent Iraqi thugs" commonly dress their captives in neat prison gear?

...but widespread? Sure.

It's an orange jump suit. I didn't see any identifying marks.

I would suspect the jumpsuits will be very similar if not identical.

just because we use orange jumpsuits doesn't mean that we are the only ones. For all we know they could have put him in an orange jumpsuit that an Iraqi had to wear to symbolically show that he was their prisoner. We don't know. It would be extremely sloppy if it was an "inside job". Im not saying it is or isn't, I don't know, but I dont think we should just to conclusions 2 hours after we find out about it.

More will come out on it. Tinoire has posted a very good thread on it, but there could be more.

...when our guys pushed him out of the car?

Or it could be that his captors were trying to make the point that he was their prisoner.

The Bush administration seems to have an endless capacity for making things worse.

pilfered from Coalition supplies are in the black market right now.

... they held him for a while, then set him out on the street to his death. That's my theory.

Have you seen the clothes they wear? Some of the men in the military (excluding Republican Guard) don't even have uniforms, yet you think they issue nice, neatly pressed orange jumpsuits for their prisoners.

I doubt it.

Reasonable people would like to know, however, how someone can come the conclusion, that it was US-issued.

or just the subject line?

Yes, I read your entire post, and here is what it comes down to:
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1) Berg was wearing an orange jumpsuit
2) The US issues orange jump suits
3) Iraqi military doesn't have uniforms

therefore:

a. Berg was wearing an orange jump suit
b. Berg was in the Iraqi military
c. Berg was wearing a US-issued jumpsuit
d. The killers were Iraqi military

There is only one correct answer.

Booth 666!

It had the big sort of bellbottom-like end of sleeves.

I'm pretty sure it wasn't american clothing.

Orange jumpsuit means nothing. Don't you think if the killers were people pretending to be Al-Qaeda they would be wise enough NOT to have him in an "orange jumpsuit" if that was somehow evidence of their deception?

the MPs and soldiers at Abu-Grahib took PHOTOS of their own torturing and humiliation of prisoners.

Who knows how stupid these people are?

the MPs and soldiers at Abu-Grahib were not trying to pretend to be "terrorists" while torturing the prisoners. I don't think it would take a genius to remove the orange clothing if it was somehow indicative of being "American" supplied.

We were talking purely about whether it made sense for them to keep Berg in an orange jumpsuit.

I said it didn't make sense or logic that the MPs would take pictures of themselves committing torture, so how can we use "logic" as a factor to dismiss the orange jumpsuit.

I didn't say that I thought the MPs at Abu-Grahib were trying to pretend to be anyone else.

I said soldiers and MP apparently will do things that don't make any sense, or have any logic to them.

I don't believe it's prison garb. The sleeves are wide and the fabric is too light.



This is a U.S. made correctional uniform.