Frag Order? - Democratic Underground

StephNW4Clark

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Tue May-11-04 04:45 PM
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Frag Order?

What is this? That's been discussed on the Senate Armed Forces hearings today...and it seems that's the inflection point for the breakdown in command and confusion about where Intel ended and the MPs began.

Any info would be appreciated

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TN al

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Tue May-11-04 04:48 PM
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1. A frag order is...

...a fragment of the operation order. Yo only need to know your fragment of the operation.

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StephNW4Clark

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Tue May-11-04 04:50 PM
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2. Doesn't fragging also refer to ...

...a practice commonplace in Vietnam when infantry soldiers would try to kill senior officers?

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TN al

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Tue May-11-04 04:53 PM
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3. A frag order has nothing to do with killing your own officers

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StephNW4Clark

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Tue May-11-04 04:54 PM
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4. Right.

It was just co-opted as a term, right?

Just trying to clear up some confusion among some friends who are wondering how the two meanings came to be associated with one word.

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Wickerman

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Tue May-11-04 04:55 PM
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5. most of what you refer to was done to Jr officers eom

Edited on Tue May-11-04 04:55 PM by lunabush

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BrotherBuzz

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Tue May-11-04 04:57 PM
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6. Fragging is derived from Fragmentation Hand Grenade

Edited on Tue May-11-04 05:12 PM by BrotherBuzz

FRAGMENTATION HAND GRENADE. The body of the M-67 hand grenade is a 2.5-inch diameter steel sphere designed to burst into numerous fragments when detonated. ..

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Insider

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Tue May-11-04 04:59 PM
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7. in this context, FRAGMENTARY ORDER

Edited on Tue May-11-04 05:03 PM by Insider

Fragmentary Order An abbreviated form of an operation order, usually issued on a day-to-day basis, which eliminates the need for restating information contained in a basic operation order. A fragmentary order may be issued in sections

edit:
pronounced 'frag-oh'

sample references:
51. CJTF-7 FRAGO #1108, Subject: ... 19 November 2003

52. CJTF-7 FRAGO #749, Subject: ... 24 August 2003

53. 800th MP BDE FRAGO # 89, Subject: Rules of Engagement, 26 December 2003

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TacticalPeek

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Tue May-11-04 05:32 PM
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8. The one they are talking about is on November 19, 2003

and the MI guys are trying to push prior offenses onto the MP's.

My surmise is that the co-opting of the MP guards by MI was going on for weeks or months before Nov 19, leading to bitching about who is boss, leading to the FRAGO to formalize what was already de facto.

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