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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-03 11:26 PM
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Troubling questions over justification for war in Iraq
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/5986497.htm

WASHINGTON - Some of President Bush's top advisers, who had hoped the war in Iraq would be the turning point in the battle against terrorism and the centerpiece of the president's re-election campaign, fear it is instead becoming a political, diplomatic and military mess.

"The postwar period in Iraq is messy. We haven't found what we said we'd find there and there are unpleasant questions about assumptions we made and intelligence we had," said one senior official, who spoke only on the condition of anonymity. "If many more months go by and our troops are still there, the Iraqis are still fighting each other and us and we still haven't found any WMD (weapons of mass destruction), there will be hell to pay."

The situation in Iraq could rebound quickly, especially if U.S. forces can restore electric power, water, health care and other services to the population, revive the nation's battered oil industry and unite the country's feuding Kurds, Shiites, Sunnis and tribesmen into some sort of civil authority.

But for now, U.S. troops in Iraq are becoming the targets of anger and ambushes instead of being greeted as liberators, as some Pentagon officials had expected. Twelve Americans died this week from enemy action and accidents, and some of their civilian leaders now privately admit that the relatively small force that quickly overwhelmed the Iraqi military is too small to restore order in a nation the size of California.

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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-03 11:52 PM
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1. a political, diplomatic and military mess
Well doesn't that just sum it up perfectly?

Eloriel
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-06-03 11:56 PM
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2. They are more worried about Bush's political fortunes
than they are about the well-being of our troops and the Iraqi people. So, what else is new about these idiots?
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-03 12:06 AM
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5. That's the part that bothers me...
no concern for the human suffering, just worry about the advantages or disadvantages to Shrub's reselection.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-03 12:41 AM
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8. It sure does El. eom
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OrdinaryTa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-03 12:00 AM
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3. What Gee-Whiz Weapons Can't Do
the relatively small force that quickly overwhelmed the Iraqi military is too small to restore order in a nation the size of California

It's more than just the size of the country, it's the continuing hostility of the Iraqis. Military commanders are being totally caught off guard by incidents like today's brazen shooting of a G.I. as he waited in line to buy a soft drink. The troops themselves are disconcerted by this - they weren't briefed to expect any of this. It gets down to Bush's racist assumption that little brown people can't possibly hold their own against the mighty United States.

The Iraqis know that deposing Saddam was only a pretext to steal their land and its assets from them. The only important players Bush fooled were the American people and our soldiers. Everybody is gradually absorbing the truth, though. Soon there will be nobody insisting on the purity of our motives except Condoleezza Rice and Donald Rumsfeld, and they won't believe it themselves.


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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-03 12:36 AM
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7. No doubt they lied to the troops about post-Iraq.
Sad thing is, they had a window of opportunity to implement a Marshall Type plan on Iraq immediately after the war, but it appears they never gave the civilian infrastructure a moment's thought. It was about oil, military logistics, and the political benefits for Dimson's re-election.

One thing this fiasco clearly illuminates is that this administration is so frigging inbred, they are incapable of understanding the complete dynamics of their actions. It's obvious that Bush is served by ass-kissers and synophants. A smart President (like Clinton) would surround himself with people of differing opinions and he would value dissenting voices to help protect him (and us) from myopic worldviews of ideologues. Bush (1) demands his ego be stroked 'cuz he's in charge and (2) he offloads the "technical stuff" to his trusted cabal. While this cabal might think they know what's going on, they really haven't a clue. Sure, they had the PNAC plan and an idea of what they wanted America to be in the 21st Century. Unfortunately, nobody much thought about the rest of the world and whther they wanted to play the roles they were assigned.

Bush wanted this war so bad and for all the wrong reasons.....Dad's mortal enemy, oil, political image, etc. But he couldn't make a case for war on these bases, so they floated the WMD gambit. I'm sure they assumed they find something to justify their actions, but I'm also sure that any warnings to the contrary were summarily dismissed by these arrogant bastards.

The UN told them they weren't finding any and Bush called the UN "irrelevant". Real smart George. Now that you "won" the war, how are you going to "win" the peace? Are we ready to pay that price, because you had to have that photo-op on the aircraft carrier?




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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-03 12:43 AM
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9. Excellent post! eom
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-03 12:02 AM
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4. "...a political, diplomatic and military mess."
Kinda sums up his whole administration so far, and I couldn't have said it better myself.
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-03 12:19 AM
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6. I don't understand everyone's concern. . .

All that need be done is detailed in the article:

The situation in Iraq could rebound quickly, especially if U.S. forces can restore electric power, water, health care and other services to the population, revive the nation's battered oil industry and unite the country's feuding Kurds, Shiites, Sunnis and tribesmen into some sort of civil authority.

When we're done with those minor troubles, we'll give everyone a pony to soothe their toubled minds, send them off to bed with a glass of warm milk. Everything will be better. I can't believe no one has thought of any of this before.
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White Dove Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-03 01:14 AM
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10. Lies were the justification for war in Iraq.
The Bush administration wanted to attack Iraq. They had
reasons for this, but none they wanted the public to know. The
justification given was just one lie after another. That is,
another lie after the previous didn't pan out. 

I don't believe they want to leave Iraq. 
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-03 02:06 AM
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11. Welcome on board White Dove!
Just in time to join us on the new and improved DU!
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tommilator Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-03 04:34 AM
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12. The failure to stop GWB
And his weapons of mass deception was the start of a long sad story. The death of the frail concept of international cooperation and a revival of colonialism.

The only thing certain to come of it is more terror as revenge become the ambition to thousands of young iraqis.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/worldview/story/0,11581,992589,00.html

Hail the bombs of freedom
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-03 04:37 AM
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13. Pictures from Army Times.. Looks kind of chaotic

Soldiers secure the scene where a rocket propelled grenade hit a passing Humvee Thursday in Ba
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-03 07:33 AM
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14. Hi tommilator!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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tommilator Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-03 08:30 AM
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15. thankyouverymuch
Its nice to have found a forum where I won't be shouted down as pro-saddam/osama anti-freedom/american for my views on war. :)
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