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malatesta1137 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 09:29 AM
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Why would al-Qaeda supply Berg with an orange prison suit?
The US has claimed, first, that Zarqawi had lost a leg in 2001 and, second, that he was killed in Falluja in March. Did he come back to life to kill Berg?

Could N. Berg's execution be fake?
05/14/2004 13:35

Given the incomprehensible jungle of information, the very first question, when viewing this video of an American civilian, N. Berg"s execution, should be whether it is even true?
There appear to be a few problems with it, casting doubt on its authenticity. If these questions aren"t answered, one should be wary of the entire matter and be advised not to give in to the patriotic blindness brought on by the emotional charge this video packs.

Consider these inconsistencies with the video before making up your mind:

1) CIA claims it has examined the video and concluded that the hooded figure is Zaqrawi, a high level al-Qaeda operative. However, anyone who has seen the video will attest to the fact that there is no way to identify anyone from it, including the victim. Second, according to an US military report in April "03, Zaqrawi was killed in the bombing of Falluja. CIA does not elaborate whether Zaqrawi has magically sprung back to life or whether the April report was wrong.

2) The US media claimed that Zaqrawi lost a leg in 2001. Now, it says that he did not lose his leg after all. This flip flop seems too coincidental as the purported figure in the video doesn"t appear handicapped. The US does not elaborate on which intelligence is wrong......

more at:


http://english.pravda.ru/mailbox/22/101/397/12790_Berg.html
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 09:32 AM
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1. No offense...

...but honestly, some folks analyze things too much. There are a million possibilities and, chances are we'll never know. So why bother sitting around and spinning your nut on it??

Maybe I'm wrong to think this....

:shrug:
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 09:34 AM
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2. "no way to identify anyone from it, including the victim."
Edited on Fri May-14-04 09:40 AM by HFishbine
Says who?

Furthermore, if your assertion is true, it undercuts completely your argument that Berg is in a "prison" jumpsuit. You can't have it both ways, so which is it? Is that Berg in an orange jump suit or can we not even identify the victim?
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tandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 09:48 AM
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8. Something is fishy about the whole thing:
I don't know about all that conspiracy crap, but there are so many conflicting stories out there:

was Berg in US custody. Answers conflict:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/14/iraq.berg/index.html

Did the US have him in custody or not?

Here is another one:

"Berg's encounter with 'terrorist' revealed:

At one point during the bus ride, Berg said, the man sitting next to his son asked if he could use Nick's laptop computer.

"It turned out this guy was a terrorist and that he, you know, used my son's e-mail, amongst many other people's e-mail who he did the same thing to," Berg said.

Government sources said Berg gave the man his password, which was later used by Moussaoui, the sources said".

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Northeast/05/13/berg.encounter/index.html

I hope someone is able to figure out what really happened. Otherwise, all those conspiracy theories will never die.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 09:35 AM
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3. We all want to know the answer to that question
They can't afford a sword or even a sharp knife but they have an orange jump suit
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 09:43 AM
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6. These orange suits are common gear
for oil rig workers.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 10:06 AM
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10. I'll look at some photos before I think that
I have worn orange Nomex flame retardent suits before and that was not my first impression of what he had on.

what I first thought was it was an Orange Jail suit
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 09:40 AM
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4. There are so many unanswered questions about this
It really does make you wonder.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 09:42 AM
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5. I realize that you recognize the well known fact ...
That muslims, no matter HOW hard they try, cannot obtain Orange clothe of any kind ....

Orange is a muslim sin ..... right ? ...

They can get TV's .. they can get Nintendo .. they can get Jack Daniels Whiskey, if they wanted it ....

But there is NO fuckin way they could EVER get a hold of ORANGE CLOTHE IN ANY WAY FORM OR FASHION ....... right ? ...

Funny how that Orange outfit resembles the loose fitting clothing used by Bedouins in extremely hot and arid Arabia for thousands of years now ..... It seems impossible for them to ever actually have an orange one around ... right ? ...

Sheeeesh .....
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 09:46 AM
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7. If it was done by the CIA
or some OGA, why would they have used an orange jumpsuit? Wouldn't that raise suspicion, like it has?

It's pretty strange. There are more questions than answers for sure.
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Torgo4 Donating Member (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 09:53 AM
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9. Forget CIA--Think NGA Civilians
Edited on Fri May-14-04 09:54 AM by Torgo4
I'd wager Gen Boykin, who declared War on Terror a Christian war on "Satanic Forces" (Islam) is behind Abu Graib and Berg's fate.
Rummy has been trying to downsize and outsource the military from day one.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 10:15 AM
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11. PURE BULLSHIT Orange jump suit like that oil rig workers use
If the Freeper types are trying to suggest that that Jump suit is liken to the ones worn by oil rig workers you got another thing coming.

1. Look at the sleeves. They are lose fitting and would catch on all kinds of moving parts. definite safety hazard.

2. Orange Nomex flame retardant jump suits are a much heavier material. they have button sleeves and side pockets on the pant legs
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 10:22 AM
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12. if one really wants to get specific ... his beard looked well-trimmed
and, his hair looked in pretty good condition ...

maybe it wasn't; and, only looked that way ... in the photo, he just didn't appear scraggy ...


Saddam, of course, may have been in his hidey-hole longer ... but, he looked like hell ...


Nick's photo at some other point in time


http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Northeast/05/13/berg.encounter/
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 11:53 AM
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13. Leg comes off, leg goes on, leg comes off, leg goes on...
Edited on Fri May-14-04 11:58 AM by daleo
"A U.S. official said Tuesday that al-Zarqawi traveled to Baghdad in May 2002 for treatment of a leg injury but, contrary to previous reports, appears not to have had a leg amputated. The official would not discuss the reason for the change in assessment.

Al-Zarqawi, an associate of Osama bin Laden, had been named by the Bush administration as an al Qaeda member who fled to Iraq from Afghanistan in May 2002 for medical treatment and then stayed to organize terror plots. He came to Iraq with about two dozen al Qaeda terrorists, according to the administration.

Before the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, President Bush, Secretary of State Colin Powell and other administration officials pointed to intelligence that they said suggested al-Zarqawi had had his leg amputated in Baghdad."

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/04/06/us.zarqawi/

April 6, CNN

Sometimes it is convenient for Bushco to credit him with the possession of only one leg, other times he really needs two.

on edit - the point is, when Bushco wanted to tie Saddam to Al-Queda, this leg had to come off. Now that they need this guy to running around Iraq as super-terrorist, he needs two legs to be believable.

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