Do you think we could get 12,000,000 recall signatures against Bush?

That's about how much it would take to meet the California 12% rule.

MoveOn could probably get 5 million in a week. The Unions and the Dem voter rolls could cover the rest.

We wouldn't even need to spend the $2 million that Dan "I'm a sissy" Issa did to screw with California's elector system.

Hmm. Maybe we could start a "Non-Binding" Bush Recall using the Cali Rules?!

I think we could do it in three months.

What do you think?

is there a federal precedent? I think it would be difficult to implement if we did proceed though, as repug controlled states would fight, and of course, the Congress and SCOTUS and the media are accessories in the Bush coup so I'm pretty sure we'd find deaf ears there. Maybe that's being too negative, I don't know. I always hope that people will finally wake up and see what a mess this creep is making, but to date, they remain slumbering soundly, dreaming of JLo's bellybutton.

It would be more of a publicity stunt than anything else.

But if we could do it I think it would have quite an impact.

:dem:

and by the time we did all that, we could just vote him out of office. I think we should go ahead and do it anyway - it would send a very powerful message.

It should also be done...just like the WH was behind the scenes for the CA Gray Davis recall, less than six month's after Davis won re-election in 2002 (by 5 1/2 points) they were putting out petitions.

I would love to get a recall on Bush now and/or if he slimes and steals his way to a win in 2004.

After all, Davis is being recalled because of a stalled economy and massive budget deficits. HEL-LO???

I know we can't actually recall the idiot, but it does send a message. If it get's enough press coverage it would show the democratic party *is* willing to stand for something. And the candidates don't have to get caught in the middle.

This might be a good idea, but lets not kid ourselves.

The Minute this starts making any noise every single candidate will have be asked where he stands on the issue. A common form of the question will be, "Well, you and others in the Democratic party were very critical of the attempt by California Voters to recall Gray Davis; how do you feel about this effort within your own party to recall President Bush?"

How they answer could hurt them politically.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

2. It shows how insane the Cali recall is. Anyone could do it anytime there's a sharp political divide in a state OR a country. It's a stupid law.

At least that's how I see it.

Plus it could be a catalyst for additiona acts...

to change the stupid law after the circus leaves town?

At the very least change the 12% to something more meaningful like 50%.

than Arnie -- who I think is going to WIN -- will be impossible to RECALL!

At 12 or 50%

so you can vote them out........


AND, if Arnie wins...... I think we should start a recall campaign the minute the dems concede............ no kidding......THEY want a circus in Calif? They should surely get what they pay for!

1. the dems didn't really put on much of a show in regard to the recall petitions. Not much crow to eat on that. (sad to say).

2. "This is a popular movement......I guess there are a lot really unhappy citizens out there...... what I suggest to appease them is ** lay out platform**

Pretty simple, I should think,.

500k people around the Washinton Monumount!

I like this idea.

I can see hundreds of folks, each with a white box labeled Recall Bush, walking through the streets of DC to the White House front gate for a "delivery" of the recall signatures.

That would look SO cool!

the illegal occupant of OUR White House removed...

What about the majority of Americans who don't see much of a difference between the two parties so they stay home on election day?

Instead of these finicky swing voters the Dems need to connect with the millions who don't currently vote.

That is the real tragedy in this country. As a non property owning woman I know that voting is a privilege and not a right. When the "framers" wrote the constitution only property owning (read:WEALTHY) WHITE MALES were given the right to vote.

It took legislation to allow others the right to vote.

But we'd have to be serious and legitimately sponsored.

But you're right about a big sponser. MoveOn is to obvious first choice IMO.

We could have people download a petition then mail it into one of several locations. That way there'd be a paper trail. Or we could do it like MoveOn's "primary".

Any ideas?

There are enough progressive internet sites which could coordinate with Move On. Does anyone remember the petitions that were delivered to the UN protesting the Iraq Invasion? Move.On delivered them....but the press didn't cover it.

I wish we could have done this after the "Selection," but we were organized and we didn't know what to do. We thought the system worked and didn't realize until months later what the "Repug" operatives in Florida had been up to.

Now we are organized and have help from many Progressive Internet Sites. Democrats aren't the only ones who would sign a Recall Petition, at this point. There are Repugs, Libertarians, Greens and Naderites who are unhappy with Bush.

So, the Dem candidates wouldn't have to take the criticism for the petition, I would think.

It might work. Many internet sites already have petitions you can sign to "Impeach Bush," a "Recall" might go over better with those who don't want to sign something calling for Impeachment for fear Asscroft will come after them.

Recall...doesn't sound as harsh as Impeach. Plus the really didn't win the last election so "Recall" fits better.


Why not do it? What do we have to lose at this point.......?

And remember that it's non-binding that's the point. It's a stunt but it would send an important message and since MoveOn.org has shown that it is great at getting things out there on the news shows and so forth I think it's the obvious choice. They already have the system set up for online voting too.

All they have to do is use the same thing that Ahnold has been saying as the reason. He came into office with a record surplus and now we have a record deficit. Then they could easily tack on a bunch of other reasons for the recall.

Any politician critical of the cali recall would answer by saing something like. "well, I am against overturing a legitimate officeholder who was legitimately elected. But they have raised some good questions in California and when you compare the issues there with the issues in the white house...if the shoe fits..."

Something like that anyway. They don't have to take it all that seriously it can just be used to highlight both the ridiculousness of the cali recall while at the same time highlighting the failures of the Bush admin.

Hits on the California insanity and bashes Bush a little harder.

I see it as sort of like taking chicken soup for a cold....


....it can't hurt...

to disqualify all the signatures of the minority signers.

If we could get it in the media, it would be even better!

"We" couldn't afford the resources to have a verified recall count. Yes, if we had the dough to burn in a symbolic gesture we could get way more than that number- IF people weren't afraid of their names being published. I don't think cheap charlie Bush would spend the dough on this type of strategy if it was not binding. Of course, we have these "non-binding" votes all the time, called opinion polls- only these are compromised, overweighted, slanted and manipulated. Lazily and cheaply, these "scientific" polls rely on samples.

Why don't instead we poll a LARGE section and cross section of America more scientifically, fairly and clearly and simply?

I see it being done much like the on-line MoveOn Primary. Perhaps including downloadable petitions to that people could mail in too.

Since it's a non-binding publicity stunt that should suffice.

Just show me where to sign!

I agree with the non-binding bit -- more of a vote of "no confidence" thingy.

We could get the signatures -- and then have hundreds of people drop them off by the box load at the White House front gate! The media of course would be advised in advance of what we were doing.

Hey, if it's good enough for Davis it's good enough for Bush. ;)

That would make some news!

I am up for this and would volunteer to help out.

We need a big group to sponser the "Vote of NO CONFIDANCE!".

Who though? MoveOn has been mentioned but I don't know where to start with them.

as a sponsor is necessary.

As mentioned by others here, I think contacting other groups to ask that the information be passed on to their members would be a great thing. And ask online site (democtrats.com,Michael Moore.com, Bartcop, Buzzflash, etc.) to post links back to a recall site would be very effective.

I think having an online signature gathering would be great but we would also need a downloadable form for folks to take to the streets for signatures and the return.

Okay, I'm really starting to get fired up about this!

Again, I would be happy to start work on this right away.

ONLINE signatures lose legitimacy because it doesn't really take much conviction to sign online.

This should be done strictly according to the actual rules of the Calif recall system. To the T...........

Sounds doable.

I kid you not........

At the statue of liberty!!

At her feet we bow and plead to give us our great country back.........

How;s that for a stunt!

And for our 2nd act......David Copperfield makes Bush disappear......and doesn't bring him back!

Now that's a good thought!

:kick:

for everything.

To hell with trying to get through to Congress and the White House.....

We be taking up our cause with our one true protector of American values, rights, hopes, etc. (compliments of the French, of course! LOL)

Even for the RNC convention in sept 2004...... we should get a huge contingent of protesters to sit at Lady Liberty's feet.

I think we have ignored Lady Liberty long enough......

But for our petitions.....can you imagine the fantastic SHOW we could put on? Oh please...let's do it!!!

(I remember after 9/11, and I didn't understand any of this stuff.....but my gut feeling was...if those jerks had touched a hair on LL's little green head, I was personally prepared to kick some terrorist butts!)

networking through different sites it could be done.

heh. we could get maybe commondreams or one of the other 'news' sites to host a message about the petition and various groups like MoveOn, United for Peace and Justice,etc,etc, it'd probably take no time at all to accomplish.

If they could do the same thing for the "No Confidence Vote"/"Recall" that would be great.

We could also contact the NAACP to see if they'd get the word out to their membership so non-internet activists can participate too.

Once we had the petitions there could be a nice "No Confidence/Anti-Bush/Anti-War" rally to deliver them to DC.

about the NAACP and non-interent members of different orgs.

MoveOn should be the starting off point. another good group is Voice/Act for Change.

if they were to do it then we could count on the news sites to pick it up.

6 people at moveon (apparently all related) decide what they want to do and then they do it.

They are powerful because they have a great platform.....no bones about it.

But it is the most CLOSED allegedly grassroots organization on the face of the earth. A regular person cannot communicate with them. Has ANYONE ever gotten a reply to an email they sent to info@moveon.org? I haven't heard about it.

If we are going to get 12 million signatories.....then we need that WHOLE 12 million group to be in OUR database for our NEXT grassroots campaign!

We should start our own database and launch pad. I am sick to death of taking marching orders from 2 or 3 organizations who are not set up as real grassroots from the bottom up...........

Seriously........let's empower ourselves......... We are going to really NEED to have our own launch pad........And we need a name for our organization, just like moveon and answer and united4peace have their name. And when they talk, people listen (liberals do). Why can't we just ADD another group the movement? We sure need it!!

And we here on DU.......we have the power. We just haven't exercised it............

Damn JanMichael.....you always get me so fired up in the best possible way!

the 'nice' thing about using an established org is that, they have the funds and the resources to pull it off and fast.

this Great Idea shouldn't die because we can't put together our own org fast enough.

yours is a good idea though Dagmark, and one we should explore.

At least one interested person.

File as a non-profit in ONE state ($100 or less)

apply for Federal non-profit tax id no. (30 min to fill out and send in)

Get papers together to file as non-exempt tax status (easy as pie)

A website with domain ($60)

An initial steering committee ......

DONE!

OR........just form a PAC .....Anyways.....I would have to research the type of org we should use.....but it's pretty easy to get one off and running.....

Let's move on it.......

BEFORE the first gov debate....

(also, we should have an international recall as well -- apart from the national one. Just to get a feel for what the world's citizens think about Bush. Since Bush seems to think he runs the world as well!)

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Moveon, etc. can join in if they want.......

But let's set up a website TODAY. RecallBush.com or whatever.

USE the EXACT petition language against DAVIS......and use STRIKE OUT over Davis' name......and add BUSH.

And ADD the war crimes and other problems we have (heck...just cut and paste from the votetoimpeachbush.org site.......)

And do this strictly as a GRASSROOTS thing and ahve the confidence that we WILL prevail with the signatures. I think that would be so much more powerful than getting on with an org that can blast 5 mill emails in a day.

We have to believe that anything is possible......that if an idea is good and right and necessary, that 12 million people WILL sign in a short period of time.

That's how ANSWER got their millions on their list. And Moveon as well. They got their numbers simply by creating a website, stating their cause.....and blammo. Why are WE THE PEOPLE any different from them.

And I stand by my wish to deliver these recall petitions TO LADY LIBERTY!!!!! (it would be a nice photo finish for Michael Moore's film eh?)

Oh yeah...........

12% of the total number of folks who voted in the 2000 Presidential election? I'm not remembering how many total votes there were.

Give or take some. We can get more specific if someone wants to run with the idea.

There are 240 million people (man, woman, child) in the us. HALF the US didn't vote. only 1/2 eligible voters voted.......

We can find the numbers.

And lucky for us......... so many votes didn't get counted.....that our number won't be as high. Oh lordy...... did I just say that?

http://www.archives.gov/federal_register/electoral_college/popular_vote_2000.html

From the National Archives:

Total Number of Votes in 2000: 105,363,298

Quick, what is 12% of that?

http://www.census.gov/prod/2002pubs/c2kprof00-us.pdf

281,421,906 American in 2000.

209,128,094 over 18.

My bad.

so we have a number to shoot for. Hopefully we will exeed it by 10s of thousands. :)

1) A downloadable recall petition.

2) An online recall petition (petitions.com maybe?) -- or perhaps a barebones website with the capability to sign a petition online.

3) A series of press releases announcing the recall movement and the eventual presentation action.

4) A contact list of of every online/real world group of every political persuasion that might be interested in engaging their members in this effort, supporting, giving us a link on their site, etc.

5) A return location for the petitions.

6) An email letter that can be forwarded by individuals/groups expressing our intend and explaining what the recall petition is about.

I would be happy to be responsible for #1 and #5, and help with #4.

Any volunteers?

Anyone interested in havng a bona fide conference call???????

And I really think we need to avoid the online signing stuff..... What will give this the supreme legitimacy is that we conduct it under the Calif recall rules........

And that means.....signing in person on a piece of paper.

I really think that's the way to go........

Conference calls a bit expensive, though it is possible for each caller to pay for their own long distance expense, and this spreads the cost around a bit.

p.s. I am NOT working now, though am working HARD to GET a JOB.

And if Blair goes down, I think we'd HAVE to.

rocknation

Let's get it rolling!

Dagmark, others:

Who DOESN'T have a job right now and can work on this full time? Would do the things Dagmark mentioned AND get set up to take donations. Collating and counting all those mailed, signed petitions is going to take time, and it's nice to be able to pay (something) for that time.

My time is my own so if I can do anything to help, let me know.

and paying folks then you move into a realm where you have to be much more accountable than I think we need to be. The PAC or non-profit route isn't one I think we need to go -- if this is grassroots it needs to be just that -- a petition simply sponsored by Americans.

I don't think this is going to be expensive or overly time consuming. Most of it can be done via email/snail mail, and phone contacts with organizations can be done by volunteers in the area.

Have geographic regions ........ people can mail their petition to any of 6 locations ....... We get one DUer to manage each location and sign count.

We need to watch for duplicate signatures (ie, FREEPING of our peititon!!) so we will need data entry of all signatories (easy enough with online connectivity).

With all the members willing to participate, maybe less than 3 months. Now, if you had a form I could go get some siggys!

and you'll have it. :)

i live in a city (Englewood NJ) with 10000 registered dems and 200 registered pukes, this'll go over great

Tht is following California's 12% of voters who voted in the last election rule.

I think it's doable.

Make that they begged for it. :evilgrin:

once this poll starts to drop off GD -- we'll need to keep it bumped in activism.

PDF copy found here: http://www.recallgraydavis.com/Petition.pdf

RECALL PETITION INSTRUCTION SHEET IMPORTANT:

Mail Completed Petitions toRecall Gray Davis Committee – P.O. Box 1445 – Sacramento, CA 95812

PRINTING AND COPYING PETITIONS: You may print or photocopy as many blank petitions as you wish. Be sure to photocopy BLANK petitions from an original (clean) printed version of the petition. Do not alter the size of the petition. Do not print or write on the back of the petition.California law provides very strict guidelines on obtaining valid recall petition signatures. Signatures that are improperly collected will be ‘invalid’ and will not be counted.

Please follow these directions carefully:

GENERAL RULES: All signatures on a petition must be by REGISTERED VOTERS of the SAME County that is designated on the petition. Use separate petitions for each different county. If you are not registered to vote you may fill out a voter registration form and send it in and then immediately thereafter sign the recall petition. The person who circulates the petition, even if you only circulate it to yourself, must sign each petition at the bottom.

RULES FOR SIGNING: The person signing the petition must follow some simple rules: Print your name and residence address, exactly as you are registered to vote on the top line. Sign your signature underneath your printed name, and print the name of the city in which you live and your zip code.

RULES FOR CIRCULATING: You do not have to fill in all five-signature blocks for the petition to be valid. You may submit your petition with as few as one and as many as five signatures. The person circulating the petition MUST fill out two sections of the petition: Write the county of residence of the signers in the blank space provided after the recall petition summary, in the paragraph above the signature blocks. Fill out completely the section entitled “DECLARATION OF PERSON CIRCULATING SECTION OF RECALL PETITION” at the bottom of the recall petition form. That includes printing the circulator’s full name , the county of their residence, the address where the circulator is registered to vote and make sure to include the starting and ending dates between which your signatures were gathered. When all the signatures are gathered, the circulator should sign the bottom of this section; and then write in the date and location of signing.

IMPORTANT: Please return your recall petition ASAP to: Recall Gray Davis Committee P.O. Box 1445 Sacramento, CA 95812A sample copy of a completed petition is available for your review on our website – www.RecallGrayDavis.comTogether, we can bring an end to the failed reign of Gray Davis and restore credible leadership to our state.
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PETITION FOR RECALL TO THE HONORABLE California Secretary of State.

Pursuant to the California Constitution and California election laws, we the undersigned registered and qualified electors of the State of California, respectfullystate that we seek the recall and removal of Gray Davis holding the office of Governor, in California.We demand an election of a successor to that office. Governor of California.

The following Notice of Intention to Circulate Recall Petition was served on 2/5/2003 to Gray Davis:NOTICE OF INTENTION TO CIRCULATE RECALL PETITION. TO THE HONORABLE GRAY DAVIS:Pursuant to Section 11020, California Election Code, the undersigned registered qualified voters of the State of California, hereby give notice that we are theproponents of a recall petition and that we intend to seek your recall and removal from the office of Governor of the State of California, and to demand election of asuccessor in that office. The grounds for the recall are as follows: Gross mismanagement of California Finances by overspending taxpayers’ money, threatening publicsafety by cutting funds to local governments, failing to account for the exorbitant cost of the energy fiasco, and failing in general to deal with the state’s major problemsuntil they get to the crisis stage. California should not have to be known as the state with poor schools, traffic jams, outrageous utility bills, and huge debts....all causedby gross mismanagement.

The printed names, signatures, and business or residence addresses of the proponents are as follows: Edward J Costa; J. Wayne Scherffius; John B. Camey; StephanieL Brown; Donald M. Nelson Sr.; William A. Stenson, Jr.; John A. Burtscher; Destyn R. Vetter; Loren Oliver Todd; Mark A. Hazen; Thomas H. Wells; Adam M Mrotek;Diane M Schachterle; Mary A. Jensen; Charles T. Jensen; Kenneth J. Payne.

To contact proponents: Ted Costa at People’s Advocate: (916) 482-6175.

The answer of the officer sought to be recalled is as follows: IF YOU SIGN THIS PETITION, IT MAY LEAD TO A SPECIAL ELECTION THIS SUMMER COSTING US TAXPAYERS AN ADDITIONAL $20-40 MILLION. Last November, almost 8,000,000 Californians went to the polls. They voted to elect Governor Davisto another term. Just days after the Governor’s inauguration in January, however, a handful of rightwing politicians are attempting to overturn the voters’ decision. Theycouldn’t beat him fair and square, so now they’re trying another trick to remove him from office. This effort is being led by the former Chairman of the State RepublicanParty, who was censured by his own party. We should not waste scarce taxpayers’ dollars on sour grapes. The time for partisanship and campaigning is past. It’s timefor both parties to work together on our State’s problems. Moreover, the allegations leveled against the Governor are false. As Governor, Davis has vetoed almost $9BILLION in spending. California, along with 37 other states, is facing a budget deficit due to the bad national economy. The Bush Administration has announced thefederal deficit this year will be the biggest in history, $304 BILLION. In these difficult and dangerous times, LET’S WORK TOGETHER, not be diverted by partisanmischief. /s/ Gray Davis Governor Gray Davis 9911 W. Pico Boulevard, Suite 980 Los Angeles, CA 90035Each of the undersigned states for himself/herself that he or she is a registered and qualified elector of the County of , California.

RETURN PETITIONS TO PROPONENT: TED COSTA, 3407 ARDEN WAY, SACRAMENTO, CA 95825, DAVISRECALL.com, (800) 501-8222.DECLARATION OF PERSON CIRCULATING SECTION OF RECALL PETITION(MUST BE IN CIRCULATOR’S OWN HANDWRITING)

I,___________________________________________ declare:Print Full Name1. My residence address is ___________________________________________________________, in ______________________, County,Street AddressCity California, and I am a registered voter in____________________________;County2. I personally circulated the attached petition for signing;3. I witnessed each of the appended signatures being written on the petition and to my best information and belief, each signature is the genuinesignature of the person whose name it purports to be; and4. The appended signatures were obtained between the dates of ________________ and ________________, inclusive.Starting DateEnding DateI declare under penalty of perjury under the laws of the State of California that the forgoing is true and correct.Executed on _______________ at __________________________________________, California.SIGNED _________________________________________________________

"The printed names, signatures, and business or residence addresses of the proponents are as follows: Edward J Costa; J. Wayne Scherffius; John B. Camey; StephanieL Brown; Donald M. Nelson Sr.; William A. Stenson, Jr.; John A. Burtscher; Destyn R. Vetter; Loren Oliver Todd; Mark A. Hazen; Thomas H. Wells; Adam M Mrotek;Diane M Schachterle; Mary A. Jensen; Charles T. Jensen; Kenneth J. Payne."

THEY DIDN'T POST THE busi or residence addresses of the Proponents. I bet dollars to donuts that this is a statutory requirement for validating a petition.

And it isn't for info's sake......I am SURE it's part of the NOTICE requirement for the people who sign the petition.

There have been plenty of murderers in our time who have gotten off on "technical" errors.

Is this dumb luck?

to see the format of the signators area but have been unable to view it. Is there anyway for me to view that area? BTW, I am positive that an address is required.

and saved the pdf.

It looks like it is going to need a fair bit of tweaking -- I'll go ahead and work on that this afternoon. Just give me a bit of time.

:kick:

This is taken from the Davis recall petition and tweaked where appropriate:


"PETITION FOR RECALL

TO George W. Bush, President of the United States
Pursuant to the spirit of the United States Constitution and free democracy, we the undersigned registered and qualified electors of the United States of America, respectfully state that we seek the recall and removal of George W. Bush holding the office of President, of the United States.

We demand an election of a successor to that office. President of the United States.

TO GEORGE W. BUSH:
Pursuant to the spirit of the United States Constitution and free democracy, the undersigned registered qualified voters of the United States of America, hereby give notice that we are the proponents of a recall petition and that we intend to seek your recall and removal from the office of President of the United States, and to demand election of a successor in that office. The grounds for the recall are as follows:

Gross mismanagement of the United States finances by repeated tax cuts geared towards the enrichment of the top financial tier and corporations. Lying about the reasons for and conducting an illegal invasion of Iraq which needlessly endangers our men and women of the armed forces and makes us less safe. Ignoring pre-9/11 security warnings by foreign and domestic intelligence sources about a possible imminent terrorist strike. Threatening our planet and survival by undermining important environmental protections.


The printed names of the proponents are as follows: The People of the United States of America

Each of the undersigned states for himself/herself that he or she is a registered and qualified elector of the United States of America.

RETURN PETITIONS TO PROPONENT: The People of the United States of America"



Let me know what you think. The grounds against Bush have to be fairly succinct to fit everything on one petition page. I think I managed to hit all the highpoints. A question -- the first section is generally addressed to the State Secretary, in CA's case Kevin Shelley. Who would be that person on a national level? Is there an equivilent we should name?

As for the idea that we set up regions for folks to send the completed peitions to, I think it's great. I can volunteer for the western seaboard, Alaska and Hawaii. Any takers for other regions? I would suggest renting out a PO Box for a bit of privacy.

I realized I have no idea how to work with making PDF documents. Can anyone here make one up using the Davis Recall petition found in Dagmar's link up thread and revising where necessary with the new text?

That's it for now.....

Hell

I'm blitzed right now so I have little to contribute:-)

1. GREAT ..you absolutely hit the nail on the head. I wonder if we should add something stating our displeasure at his special interest policy across the board, ie., serving solely for the pleasure of non-persons (corps) over the people? So revise as follows (caps are my additional text items):

Gross mismanagement of the United States finances by repeated tax cuts AND IMPLEMENTING POLICY WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF CONGRESS geared towards the enrichment of the top financial tier and corporations (AND MORE PARTICULARLY TO THE DEFENSE AND ENERGY PRIVATE SECTORS) AT THE EXPENSE AND SUFFERING OF THE REMAINING 90% OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

(we need to get the word SUFFER in there!!! LOL)



2. Who to direct it to? Just an idea (we can direct this to anyone we want!! Since we're making it up)

I think we should direct it to the Majority and Minority Party chairs of the house judiciary committee! Since a real impeachment resolution would start in that committee:

"According to the Constitution, the House of Representatives has the sole power to initiate impeachment proceedings against the president. The issue has to go to the House Judiciary Committee and then a resolution of impeachment has to be passed by a simple majority of the House. Once this has taken place, the matter is taken out of the hands of the lower house and goes to the upper house, the Senate."

So, direct it to: "F. James Sensebrenner, Jr., Chairman, and John Conyers, Ranking Member of the U.S. House of Representatives' Committee on the Judiciary"





3. PDF files are easy to create from Word. I think I have Adobe reader...but not writer.....so I can't convert a word document into a pdf. BUT lots of folks have that capability...so once we get it all perfected, it will take 1 second to convert it!



**I think I answered all the questions.......

the intent letter next -- hopefully I'll have it by tomorrow early afternoon. With that letter and a recall petition we can start soliciting other groups for help in getting the word out and sponsoring a lihk to the petition page.

I think we should start a meetup!!! A LOT of people browse that board and read the meetup group listings.......

Like, I could do Portland, Oregon. All I have to do is become a host and it goes on the board..... So, we could spread the word that we need meetups when we spread the word about the petition for recall itself. Basically gather a grassroots organization at the same time that we get signatures.

We would need someone to start one in San Francisco, LA, Chicago, New York, Dallas, Houston, Seattle, DC. and I know we have DUers in all major locales. The good thing about having a meetup in these places is we can EMAIL updates and stuff and start ONE YAHOO message board.

I really think this should be used to not only get signatures but to GROW a real grassroots organization. I am sure we can't even imagine how it might blossom.

The question is: What should the meetup be called? RECALL BUSH?

ANOTHER BENEFIT is...... since I am a member of the DEAN meetup, I am a member of their Oregon Yahoo group. No law against me posting a message on THAT board asking folks to look at the recall stuff. And there are members of Kerry's meetup, etc...... (Just getting the word out in the 80,000 strong Dean meetup community would be a BOON for getting this petition out).

Hope I can help along the way!:-)

You totally get my activist motor running.....you've done it before on some other topics...... but THIS ONE, I am convinced is going to take off with or without out once we put it into motion!!

So.....you had BETTER be on the train!

Are you the guy who just got married???? (I get people mixed up on here). Well, many congrats to you if you are!! (you did marry a dem, right>????)

To a Dem, a DU'er in fact.

I wasn't kidding about you taking an organisational lead, it's important to have some dedicated people pushing the project.

I'll bring it up on the Guy James Show this week or next week.

groups should be our goal instead of building a whole new one -- why reinvent the wheel right now -- let's keep it a simple as possible and let our members who belong to other grassroots groups nationwide help us introduce the petition to them. We will have 120 or day days to get this happening -- all time/energy should be geared towards getting those signatures.

On edit: I am going to start a new thread dealing with just the recall petition -- this was technically a poll thread, so I feel the petition deserves it's own. Let's keep it bumped!

for the night owls....

:kick:

I know many people who would sign ..

what can I do to help?

:kick: for the morning crowd