Latest News On Nick Berg Video

http://www.profindpages.com/news/2004/05/19/MN114.htm

The more we watch the video of the "beheading" of Nick Berg, the less real it becomes.

There are just too many unanswered questions about this video.

Apart from the White Chair, the prison issue clothing that Nick Berg was wearing, the white coloured hands of the "executioners", the strange audio sounds, the guy with the white mask suddenly changing places with the man with the black mask (at the end of the video), the Gold ring and of course the time changes during the video itself etc..

The man "reading' the notes may be a ventriloquist as well. It is of course difficult to see whether he is actually reading the notes because of the quality of the video and the mask he is wearing. But unless we are mistaken (hopefully someone else can also check this) the man reads the front page of page one, turns the page to read the back of this page and then, after much shuffling of the two pages, reads the back page of page one (again). He then moves the pages around once more and reads the back page of page two and finally returns to the front page of page one (again).

...lots more...

and while we're on this subject, has anyone seen this?

(warning: graphic images)

http://www.aztlan.net/berg_abu_ghraib_video.htm

on less evidence, but we live in the land of the blind, it seems.

2:44 - The shot angle has not changed - the middle guy is still 'reading' from his papers. Wild screaming starts on the soundtrack, but none of the masked men seem to notice it, and Berg is still sitting very quietly in front of them. He has not moved at all during these four minutes. In a strikingly unnatural fashion, he has not blinked during this entire time, yet he quite clearly has no problem blinking in earlier footage.

Viewers of the video: is this accurate? Do they not react to the screaming, and does Berg not blink during the time specified?

to not noticing the screaming, but the blinking, I didn't notice... and can't watch again. I only have so much stomach lining :\

The sound is out of synch with the action. It's ridiculous to see these detailed and literal analyses of an event that is clearly a fabricated piece of propaganda.

You really need to watch it. It's no big deal - sure a guy is getting his head cut off but it has all the authenticity of a B grade horror movie.

You've probably all seen the opening of the vid on news reports... but before the "horror" starts the news producers cut away and allow the audio to continue. The rest is left to the imagination, especially for those not willing to view it for themselves. I imagined much worse than the reality of what I saw.

Just after Berg is pushed on the floor, the cinematic style changes to that employed in the Blair Witch project. It cuts to a poorly focussed hand held camera moving around which abstracts the imagery while everyone is shouting their nut off.

Whoever produced the video wasn't interesed in producing a factual account of the events taking place in that room. The irony, or perhaps the intention, is that those who don't watch the video will probably create a much more horrific picture of events in their minds eye.

The video is terrorist shock porn. I'm most curious as to why more people aren't discussing whether an autopsy was conducted. In my country the body would have been delivered straight to the coroners office. I understand traditions in the Jewish faith call for immediate burial but surely the quest for truth takes precedence.

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But can be explained away by using old video equipment and lousy encoding software....

except the timestamps...

what kind of idiot would use a video camera with a timestamp to fake something?

While I am a firm believer that something is undoubtedly afoot with the Berg video I want to point out that what the folks at aztlan describe as someones head appearing on frame (left ear and neck with cap) is actually someones left hand. Their pinky finger is bent and gives the impression of an ear. Even though this is the case it appears as though the hand is that of a light skinned person and that they are not wearing one of the terra-ist costumes (too much exposed wrist and forearm).

I always need better eyes to help me see more clearly :)

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a dozen threads on DU in the past five or six days.

This post provides nothing new. The Aztlan site has been posted and discussed several times. There are also analyses of the ring, the head scarves, the sneakers, and the chair.


For a detailed analysis of the video -- which has not yet to my knowledge been refuted -- please see the following VERY long thread which opens with a frame by frame analysis of the camera angles, time stamps, etc.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1596064

did you perchance read the article that thread opened with? or just the Atzlan that I asked as a sidebar?

Why doesn't he just let everybody see his face since he is supposedly taking "credit" for it anyway?

think "Dread Pirate Roberts"

Is it a movie?

"The Dread Pirate Roberts" is actually a series of masked men, each of whom retires and then passes the identity on to someone else. Similar to the Lone Ranger.

The point I was trying to make was that the name isn't necessarily the same as identity.

In other words, a dozen people can say they're Abu al-Zarqawi and as long as no one sees the face, any one of them could be the "real" al-Zarqawi.

So yes, there is a possible explanation for claiming to be someone but not showing one's face.

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I saw the video, but don't recall seeing a white chair. Berg was seated on the floor. Are you talking about the bit before the guys standing behind him, when he's by himself giving his name, etc.? That part was not on the video I saw. It starts with the guys standing up behind him, and he's tied up and sitting on the floor in front of the guys.

Lindie Englund was sitting in a white chair in one of the prison abuse photos. Only white chair I've noticed.

on this.

It was shot with two cameras and spliced together. I've analyzed the timestamps, it all matches up. The only "anomoly" is that Nick Bergs head being displayed is not done twice. The footage from the other camera is patched in after the video from the first camera.

The lack of "blood spray" can be explained by the fact that the body was face down next to the floor. The floor covering was the color of blood. Nick was very much alive when the "first cut" was made. Let's pray that he was unconscious shortly after.