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historian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 02:42 PM
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caligula and bush
Caligula made his horse into a senator and the repukes made bush into their god - the outcome will be the same in the end - lets hope it happens sooner than later.
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sundog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 02:46 PM
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1. hmmm...
are you talking about the uncensored 1979 version?
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historian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 02:52 PM
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2. 1979 version???
Sorry dont know what that means.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 02:56 PM
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4. There is an infamous movie about Caligula
Made in 1979. It featured very reputible actors. But the B cast of characters were drawn from the porn industry. It was as if two movies were pressed together. One featured a group of British Shakesperian actors wandering around in Togas and the other was a soft porn set in ancient times. It is said that the A cast (except for Malcolm McDowel) did not know of the other cast.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 02:57 PM
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5. soft porn my ass!
that was my first x-rated movie. It had several hard-core scenes, cut into it and obviously shot separately by Guccione, the Penthouse guy.

Possibly the worst movie ever made.

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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 05:02 PM
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17. But it's the BEST worst movie ever made
:)
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 11:30 PM
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21. oh no. "Beyond the Valley of the Dolls" takes that title
the Russ Meyer one.

Fucking GREAT
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historian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 02:57 PM
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7. nothing like that
the real caligula did make his horse a senator
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sundog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 02:57 PM
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6. Movie
I was just kidding -- the film version with Malcom McDowell as Caligula -- definitiely a unique experience -- Penthouse meets Art House in a train wreck of a production -- a classic in the trash cinema genre
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central scrutinizer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 02:54 PM
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3. "oderint dum metuant"
"oderint dum metuant"

---- Caligula

translation:

"Let them hate so long as they fear."
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historian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 02:58 PM
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9. hey a scholar!!!!
thanks for that
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 04:07 PM
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13. Wow. Seems like Cheney's borrowed that one
Somebody needs to do a photoshop
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 02:58 PM
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8. I ******LOVE******* Caligula/Shrub Threads
Caligula: It took the Romans "three years, ten months and eight days" to get to know the real Caligula. This would take us to, uh, November 2004.

******QUOTE*****
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/suetonius-caligula.html

.... rearing a viper for the Roman people and a Phaethon (": a son of Helios who drives his father's sun-chariot through the sky but loses control and is struck down by a thunderbolt of Zeus") for the world. ....

.... he poisoned Tiberius, as some think, and ordered that his ring be taken from him while he still breathed ....

.... By thus gaining the throne he fulfilled the highest hopes of the Roman people, or I may say of all mankind, since he was the prince most earnestly desired by the great part of the provincials and soldiers, many of whom had known him in his infancy ....

.... He even used openly to deplore the state of his times, because they had been marked by no public disasters,.....and every now and then he wished for the destruction of his armies, for famine, pestilence, fires, or a great earthquake. ....

.... ruled three years, ten months and eight days ....

*****UNQUOTE****
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historian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 02:59 PM
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10. were getting closer to those numbers with numbskull
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 09:12 PM
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19. Kick n/t
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 03:16 PM
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11. Stephen Colbert, The Daily Show, 12/13/2000
"This is how I see the next four years playing out. On inauguration day George W Bush will take the oath of office and assume the mantle of leader of the free world, restoring his fathers fallen dynasty. And to ensure his legitimacy Chief Justice Rehnquist will annoint his brow with crism, doves will be released and lambs will be slaughtered.

"Bush will mount a golden chariot, and with his aged squire Dick Cheney holding a laurel wreath over his master's furrowed brow, the man who would be boy-king will take his destined throne. And in a much-needed show of strength he will drive his enemies before him like leaves before a storm. He will make whores of our wives and slaves of our children.

"He will appoint a horse to the Senate. He will have the oceans whipped for daring to turn their tides without his leave. And while gangs of willowy young boys rub his body with perfumes from Persia and the fat rendered from the corpses of the persecuted poor, all around the fevered crowds will stare worshipfully at their unknowing, unseeing, girlishly giggling, idiot emperor's head. End of day one. Now, day two..."

Saved for posterity by a blogger: http://orangelifesavers.blogspot.com/
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 03:27 PM
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12. Caligula's nickname was "Little Boots" because his father, a general,
had a miniature soldier suit made for him. Caligula would grandly prance in front of the real soldiers pretending to be a warrior. Shades of the flight deck and "Mission Accomplished!"

When I pointed that out, my partner and I began calling Shrub* "Little Boots". Somehow, it sounds appropriate.
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 04:15 PM
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14. One author calls Poppy an "American Caligula"
Edited on Wed May-19-04 04:17 PM by 9215
http://www.tarpley.net/bushint.htm


.......The thesis of this book is simple: if George Bush were to be re- elected in November 1992 for a second term as the president of the United States, this country and the rest of the world would face a catastrophe of gigantic proportions.

The necessity of writing this book became overwhelming in the minds of the authors in the wake of the ghastly slaughter of the Iraq war of January-February 1991. That war was an act of savage and premeditated genocide on the part of Bush, undertaken in connivance with a clique in London which has, in its historical continuity, represented both the worst enemy of the long-term interests of the American people, and the most implacable adversary of the progress of the human species.

The authors observed George Bush very carefully as the Gulf crisis and the war unfolded, and had no doubt that his enraged public outbursts constituted real psychotic episodes, indicative of a deranged mental state that was full of ominous portent for humanity. The authors were also horrified by the degree to which their fellow citizens willfully ignored the shocking reality of these public fits. A majority of the American people proved more than willing to lend its support to a despicable enterprise of killing.

By their role-call votes of January 12, 1991, the Senate and the House of Representatives gave their authorization for Bush's planned and imminent war measures to restore the Emir of Kuwait, who owns and holds chattel slaves. That vote was a crime against God's justice.
......more
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 04:29 PM
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15. the name of Caligula's horse was Incitatus
Bush's horse or horse's ass is named........
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 04:35 PM
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16. ...karl rove.
Edited on Wed May-19-04 04:37 PM by calimary
That's the horse he rode in on.

OR, maybe it's Jim. As in Jim Baker. Jim "I fixed the election for george w. bush" Baker.

Would NOT, however, be a real, honest-to-goodness horse. bush is scared of 'em.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 05:06 PM
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18. UNFAIR. Caligula was actually far more of a populist than *
Caligula visited his atrocities uopn the ruling class. The elevation of Incitatus to the Senate was quite possibly the greatest "fuck you" in history
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TroubleMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 09:14 PM
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20. bush is scared of horses...and asscroft covers naked breasts

It's more like a prude mama's boy version of Caligula.

......


Another Roman comparison:

Nero played the violin while Rome burned, bush read a childrens' book while New York burned.

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