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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 07:25 AM
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So we went to war because of Chabli ???
Think about it...The Neo's and Bush started this war with the justification that Saddam was a Mushroom Cloud away from destroying our Country. A vast majority of this info came from none other than Ahmed Chalabi. Mr. Chalabi also assured the Neo's that his fellow Iraqi's would shower the United States forces with Flowers and jubilation. That was about a year ago folks.

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brokensymmetry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 07:28 AM
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1. And we've just raided his house.
And surrounded it with troops. And seized papers.

This would make a great farce, except it's too over-the-top for anyone to believe it!
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 07:37 AM
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3. Whoa - does Ahmed Chalabi HATE FREEDOM?
Are we going to STAY THE COURSE in this WAR ON TERROR, which has now apparently (and suddenly) become a WAR ON CHALABI??

This reminds me of "Get Your War On" a couple of months ago - "Did you know we're still paying Ahmed Chalabi's group $400,000 a month?"

"Wow, that's some expensive bullshit!"
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 07:54 AM
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7. Yeah...
I guess his Checks are Bouncing, too.

You know when your credit's run out at the Pentagon, you're a real deadbeat... considering how much of our money they have to burn.

Anyway, I just can't understand it-- Not considering how the CIA has historically shown such excellent character judgement!
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 07:35 AM
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2. Chalabi should be rotting in a jail cell in Jordan right now.
He's wanted for bank fraud there and has been. The only reason he's not is his connection to the Bush crime family. Bank fraud is near and dear to their hearts and a family tradition.

This is what happens when thieves make deals with thieves. Can you imagine four more years of this kind of public embarrassment. The country can't take this anymore.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 07:38 AM
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4. Hah. I don't buy it
They knew better, they just needed someone with a measure of cred to say what they wanted to hear aloud. They knew he was lying, he knew he was lying, everybody got what they wanted.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 07:42 AM
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5. Involved In Oil For Food Fraud? Now Knock Me Over With A Feather
That's the damn irony...here's this regime's favorite Iraqi puppet with his slimy fingers in a scandal they're trying to use to somehow justify that other nations were in bed with Hussein. This could be fun if we're allowed to follow Mr. Chalabi's money and see how much of it ends up in GOOP back pockets.

There was a joke thread here a while back about what goods Chalabi had to have on the BFEE and Rummy. Methinks we may have the opportunity to find out.

Or course this won't be done by the regime, that I think is forced to ice Chalabi since he's finally gotten too far out of control and has too many dirty secrets that could be used to blackmail. There is no honor among thieves. This is just to get this scum out of the way as a P.R. mess both here (which means the most to this regime) and to attempt to pacify a rising insurection that Abbazaid said will go on for the forseeable future. What good news that was to hear this morning.

Hopefully, now Chalabi is open season in the media; which had protected him when he was a regime proxy. Now that he's supposedly "out" (and I hope that includes our 4 million a year he pockets of our tax money), hopefully someone is hot on his lengthy paper trail. Hell, this could be yet another regime overplay. Let us hope!
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 07:46 AM
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6. Don't count on it
They might all be playing from a script:

Neocon Lets Cat Out of Bag

Michael Rubin—a young staffer at the American Enterprise Institute who’s just left the Pentagon, where he played a small role as a neocon cog in the Office of Special Plans war machine—let a herd of cats out of the bag about his favorite Iraqi phony, Ahmad Chalabi of the Iraqi National Congress.

...
“Much of the information he collected was to roll up the insurgency and Ba'athist cells. It caught people red-handed," said Michael Rubin, a former Pentagon adviser who is now at a conservative think-tank, the American Enterprise Institute.

"By telegraphing that he is not the favorite son of America, the administration will bolster him, showing he is his own man."

In other words, it’s all a big con game. The still-neocon-dominated Pentagon—which this week stopped funding Chalabi’s INC —is playing its last card, hoping that it can boost Chalabi’s sagging fortunes by pretending to sever ties with him. That, the neocons hope, will allow Chalabi to strengthen his ties to Sistani, the king-making mullah who, they hope, holds Iraq’s fate in his wrinkled hands.

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/neocon_lets_cat_out_of_bag.php
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 08:35 AM
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15. Great Catch!
I have seen that sleeze Rubin on the yak shows.

Doesn't Chalabi operate out of Uday's old Olympic Village and torture chamber?

I can't believe the the Iraqi people are gullible to swallow any of this crap...especially a quisling like Chalabi. Any idea of how this spin could even get any legs?

What got me about the AP Radio report I heard this morning, was the implication in the Oil For Food. Why, if you're going to either dis-associate or discredit Chalabi would this be used against him?

Any thoughts?
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Ironpost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 07:55 AM
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8. You see what you want to see,
you hear what you want to hear. Flowers and jubilation, don't know much about the jubilation, but the flowers came in "improvised explosive devices and ak 47 rounds. What a total failure this pResident has proven to be... Disgraceful
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 07:57 AM
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9. Off the subject...
I played around with the image in your sig. Hope you don't mind :)

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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 08:10 AM
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11. Not at all...and it's very funny
welcome to DU...
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 08:35 AM
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14. Thank ya
Glad I found it!
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 08:06 AM
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10. No. We went to war because the US government wanted to steal
Iraq's oil. We went to war in Afghanistan because we wanted to force them to accept the pipeline deal to open the Asian fossil fuel market to us.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 08:34 AM
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13. Chalabi Shmalabi
Well, it was pretty apparent from the beginning that Chalabi was the "go-to" guy.. so obvious, in fact, that I suspect he became a liability. They don't want what they're doing to be that transparent. That's why you had to dig a bit to find out, for example, that Hamid Karzai had ties to UNOCAL, the folks who were trying to build the Afghan pipeline. Chalabi has all kinds of messy baggage, like the fact that he's wanted in Jordan-- the sort of stuff that even US Papers occasionally report.

Anyway, team Bush wanted to go into Iraq from the second they started replacing the W's on the White House keyboards.. Chalabi could have told them there would be naked supermodels covered in chocolate there to welcome the Bechtel employees, but it wouldn't have changed the outcome a whole lot.. If it helped them push their agenda, they would have used whatever nonsense he was peddling to try to sell this war.
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turiya Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 08:21 AM
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12. you are parrotting the bush excuse
why would anyone believe that nonsense?
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 08:38 AM
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16. I'm too old and crusty plus a vet of DU
to believe any of this crap. But Moron America ain't me...
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writekid Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 08:51 AM
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17. No, we went to war to protect the american way
you remember the american way don't you? we fight for jesus. jesus says "no condoms in the shcools." jesus says, "no sex before marriage." jesus has a plan for us all. so off you go to iraq and we put you in charge of a bunch of brown skins, but jesus ain't looking so it's okay to poke them, prod them and live out all those sexually repressed desires that you ain't allowed to have back home in jesus country
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 10:24 AM
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18. Hi writekid!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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