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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 04:22 PM
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Conason: Arnolds secret meeting with "Kenny Boy"
Edited on Mon Aug-11-03 04:24 PM by CatWoman
The plot thickens. If only Arnold's movie plots were so well written.

Also, are you guys aware that Arnold's campaign chairman is Pete Wilson, the one who got the state in this mess in the first place? Makes me think this was plotted back in 2001.

Perhaps the sordid details of this meeting are outlined somewhere in Cheney's energy papers.

You can get a one-day pass to view the entire article. It's free.

Aug. 11, 2003 | Arnold's secret meeting with Kenny Boy
If you're compiling a list of public figures even less popular in California than Gray Davis, one name is likely to top it: former Enron chairman Kenneth "Kenny Boy" Lay. Voters in the Golden State are behaving like sheep these days, but even the dimmest of them can probably remember how Enron and the other corporate vultures descended on them during the electricity "crisis" of 2001.

What California voters may no longer remember, however, is that after the third wave of rolling blackouts hit their state, Kenny Boy quietly summoned a select group to the Beverly Hills Hotel on May 11, 2001. And they may also have forgotten that one of the prominent Republicans who showed up at Lay's request was Arnold Schwarzenegger.


On June 21, 2001, the Associated Press reported that "Lay met secretly with California Republicans at the Beverly Hills Hotel and pushed a plan that called for ratepayers to pay the billions in debt racked up by the state's public utilities. The plan contended that federal investigations of price gouging are hindering the situation." According to William Bradley, the L.A. Weekly's sharp political columnist who wrote about Enron for the American Prospect, the meeting revolved around Lay's plans to "preserve deregulation" in California. The L.A. Times noted that Lay was seeking the support of Schwarzenegger and the other GOP luminaries for even greater deregulation. Apparently Lay wanted help in saving a lousy system, squeezing the unfortunate Californians even more, and avoiding accountability for their plight.

Only those who were present -- including then-Mayor Richard Riordan and convicted junk-bond fraudster Michael Milken -- know exactly what happened at Lay's covert conference. The meeting briefly became an issue early in the 2002 governor's race, after Riordan opportunistically attacked Davis over the governor's telephone contacts with Lay during the crisis. "What is Gray Davis trying to hide?" he demanded. But then, instead of answering pointed questions about the Beverly Hills meeting, Riordan quickly backed off from the Enron angle.

http://salon.com/opinion/conason/2003/08/11/enron/index.html
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 04:25 PM
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1. it thickens indeed
this is the kind of thing that NEEDS to get out there!

Jeezus, how long have they been planning this???
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ThorsteinVeblen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 04:29 PM
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2. And it never will because the media doesn't want it to.
Fuck this country is so corrupt.

It's no better than the third world.

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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 04:50 PM
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12. It's worse that a third world country
We go beyond Nazi Germany now.

Welcome to the Corporate States of America. Pretty soon, labor contracts will become bound servitude which can be bought and sold on the open market. Refusal to move to a different corporation will not be an option.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 04:29 PM
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3. I want to read this!
But I can't ever get through the ads. I think it has something to do with my firewall. Will somebody who can get through it email me the article?


Cher
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 04:45 PM
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9. Check your PM
n/t
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 04:30 PM
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4. The Dems better use this information to attack the Republicans
not just Arnie. It's time to fight back and the truth will be hell to the Repukes.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 04:31 PM
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5. Then the Democrats have to make it an issue!!!
DAMN IT!!!!!!! The Repugs have played DIRTY and we must play dirty back to them!
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 04:41 PM
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7. Played dirty
I'll do you one better. This isn't just a violation of the "Marquis of Queensbury Rules", this crap is criminal wrongdoing in every sense of the word.
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kimchi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 04:32 PM
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6. Wow!
Indeed, this needs to be distributed far and wide---but most especially in California!
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 04:45 PM
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8. Big thanks
Received the article.


Cher
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T Roosevelt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 04:48 PM
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10. Something interesting occurs to me...
Only those who were present -- including then-Mayor Richard Riordan and convicted junk-bond fraudster Michael Milken -- know exactly what happened at Lay's covert conference.

You don't suppose that Milken (put on your :tinfoilhat:) had anything to do with the put options that happened right before 9/11? He of all people would know what to do and how...
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 04:53 PM
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15. Oh, jeez! I know I still want to know the answer to that!!
IIRC, that money is still unclaimed. I know people who absolutely refuse to believe that that was done, or that someone could do that. But it was done, and someone did it.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 04:49 PM
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11. this article is PERFECT flyer material
I believe it was willpitt and matcom that had great success passing out the truth on pieces of paper... might be a good idea for we Cali Dems to look into that

and this is exactly the kind of thing people need to know!
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 04:50 PM
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13. *KABANG* LOOK at what they discussed:
On June 21, 2001, the Associated Press reported that "Lay met secretly with California Republicans at the Beverly Hills Hotel and pushed a plan that called for ratepayers to pay the billions in debt racked up by the state's public utilities. The plan contended that federal investigations of price gouging are hindering the situation." According to William Bradley, the L.A. Weekly's sharp political columnist who wrote about Enron for the American Prospect, the meeting revolved around Lay's plans to "preserve deregulation" in California. The L.A. Times noted that Lay was seeking the support of Schwarzenegger and the other GOP luminaries for even greater deregulation. Apparently Lay wanted help in saving a lousy system, squeezing the unfortunate Californians even more, and avoiding accountability for their plight.

THIS IS WHILE ENRON was knowingly manipulating the market and pulling many many millions out of the economy. HE WANTED MORE.

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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-03 05:11 AM
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28. He would would of needed much more the way that ponzi sceme......
was set up. This fits so perfectly, I can know see full well why the Bongo Brains jumped into race. LAY and Schwarzenegger, them are surely going to be two poster boys for * to put up in his CELL
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 04:51 PM
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14. Excellent! Soooo glad someone picked up this story.
Now if the mainstream will follow suit we'll have a legitimate issue to confront Arnold and the GOP with (rather than personal smears). And he WILL have to answer this one. I think this one will get some traction and renew interest in Enron/Lay to boot.
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poskonig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 05:00 PM
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16. "ENRON ARNOLD"
We should repeat this over and over and over again.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 11:56 PM
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17. kick
:kick: for Enron Arnie!!!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-03 12:08 AM
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18. ENRON Ahhhhnolt
And I thought I'd have to ask over and over again if his single was still pushed up next to his roomie Lou Ferrigno's in Pumping Iron. Or was that edited out of the 25th anniversary release?
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-03 12:10 AM
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19. WOOOOOOOO!!!
This will KILL AHH-nold :D :-) :loveya:
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-03 12:55 AM
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20. Great Stuff Cat, Thank You !!!
:loveya:
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-03 12:58 AM
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21. No Shit !
Well golly gee this is SWEET !
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-03 01:05 AM
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22. anytime for you, Willy
Edited on Tue Aug-12-03 01:06 AM by CatWoman
:hi:

:loveya:

and Proud

:hi:
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-03 01:27 AM
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23. Deeeelicious
This recall could be a super blessing in disguise.

Most elections are regularly scheduled events, and thus guilt-neutral. This one is an assault on us; we are the aggrieved parties.

Let's sandbag 'em. Let's make the whole thing about Republican greed, Enron, Kenny, Georgie and Unka Dick. Pete Wilson's just a fine upstanding empty suit to thump on just for some variety.
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govegan Donating Member (661 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-03 02:14 AM
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24. This is interesting, especially added to the info. in the Yurica rpt.
Talking about Dick Chainsaw's "National Energy Report" which was delivered to the chimp on May 16, 2001.


In the process of reversing the carefully construed “California experience,” the author’s grasp exceeds his knowledge in that his understanding of the events in California go beyond what he should have reasonably known at the time of its writing. For he wrote, “The risk that the California experience will repeat itself is low, since other states have not modeled their retail competition plans on California’s plan.” This is an astounding statement. If the California crisis was caused by a supply shortage as the author claims a line above this sentence, surely other states could suffer similar shortages. But no, the author is actually making an admission here: he is admitting the energy crisis in California can’t be replicated in other states because certain market means do not exist in the other states. How could the author know this? The writer of that sentence would have to be someone intimately involved in the California system; know the real cause of the state’s crisis; and be familiar with all the other state rules and market infrastructures.

But our knowledgeable author is not done. In trying to amplify what he just revealed, he tried to hide the true actors in the next sentence by misdirecting the reader away from the culprits to blame the state. This is a formula for incoherence. Nonetheless, the writer’s sentence found its way into the national energy report where it spoke for the Bush administration: “California’s failure to reform flawed regulatory rules affecting the market drove up wholesale prices.” If this sentence is read literally, it asks the reader to believe that a state’s experience of failure to amend its rules, along with the flawed rules themselves, somehow had an independent power to “drive up wholesale prices,” without an intervening acting agent. The only sensible reading left to us is that the flawed rules allowed power brokers to manipulate the system. But how could our author and his administration editors know this to be true without being in collusion with the wrongdoers? If they were not in collusion they would have reported the crime. But if they remained silent when they had a duty to report or stop the commission of a crime, they became accessories.

Continuing his unexpected analysis, the author tells us, “Actions such as forcing utilities to purchase all their power through volatile spot markets, imposing a single-price auction system, and barring bilateral contracts all contributed to the problems that California now faces.” This is nothing more than the author, and through him the White House, attempting to throw responsibility for any wrongdoing by energy companies in California squarely at the feet of the state.


quotes from report at
http://www.yuricareport.com/PoliticalAnalysis/FraudinWhiteHouse.htm

It is sad to see the citizens of California being shafted once again by the same jokers. However, if sufficiently informed, perhaps the citizens can have the last laugh.

Up here in Washington the latest figures from the motor vehicle records show marked increases in California licenses being exchanged for Washington licenses. We have our own problems here, but I can see why the frustration would be driving folks away from the Golden State.

The Yurica Report about the energy fraud seems pretty powerful to me.

How can one not agree with the painful conclusion:

"This story ends as it began: with unrequited lies, deception and fraud. Three sentences inserted into the National Energy Policy report reveal: 1) the White House knew the California crisis was man-made; 2) knew the power companies were manipulating the market in California; 3) and knew these facts at the time the people of California were being fleeced by the scam; 4) yet the Bush White House did nothing to stop the fraud.

A special prosecutor should be appointed by Congress to investigate this whole matter as well as what Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney knew and when they knew it."
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-03 02:30 AM
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25. Excellent find, CatWoman.
Everyone in California needs to know this NOW. (I have emailed my friend in California.)

I hope this Enron theft finally breaks wide open.
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fabius Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-03 02:37 AM
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26. Cal. Democrats need a big media campaign.
Spend all your money. Go for the jugular!
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-03 04:58 AM
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27. Arnie Got in Bed With Enron, and California Got Screwed.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-03 06:04 AM
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29. I see a press conference in the future:
Press: Arnold, can you tell us why you met with Ken Lay back in 2001?

AS: I want to be the Gobonor for da piple ov California. Ve vill haf our plan chortly.

Press: Arnold, can you expand on that? What was said at the meeting?

AS: I must go now. Maria needs her medication. (gets into his Hummer and hauls ass!)
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-03 11:22 AM
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30. Planet Hollyvood did vell, too. Like a tax dodge.
Kenny Boy and Ahhhnolt in bed together? What a surprise! These inside wheeler-dealers like to make money the old-fashioned way, through fraud. Here's background on Planet Hollywood:

Arnold Out of Planet Hollywood Orbit

by Marcus Errico
Jan 25, 2000, 4:20 PM PT

This time the Terminator won't be back.

Arnold Schwarzenegger announced Tuesday that he was ending his association with Planet Hollywood, the troubled theme-restaurant chain he helped launch nine years ago with A-list pals Bruce Willis, Demi Moore and Sylvester Stallone.

"It was lots of fun and very challenging to come up with and develop the celebrity-restaurant concept on an international level," Schwarzenegger said in his statement.

"Of course, I am disappointed that the company did not continue with the success I had expected and hoped for. I wish Planet Hollywood well, but I want to focus my attention now on new U.S. and global business ventures--and on my movie career."

SNIP...

On Friday, a federal judge approved the celeb-centered chain's bankruptcy plan. The approval will allow Planet Hollywood to operate with court protection while it restructures and sheds debt that it cannot repay, without totally liquidating the business. Founder and CEO Robert Earl was also allowed to stay aboard.

CONTINUED...

http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,5916,00.html
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-03 12:07 PM
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31. Also check out the Slate article, re: Planet Hollywood
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-03 12:12 PM
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32. Damn that hurts. . .
. . .I was the midwest PR director for PH.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-03 12:13 PM
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33. Enquiring minds want to know, Arnold???
What the hell were you doing meeting with Ken Lay ?? Oh, you can't hear the question, huh?
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-03 12:42 PM
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34. I posed this very question at 9 am Sunday morn on this thread, post #3
Edited on Tue Aug-12-03 12:44 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
before Conason's article...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=156846&mesg_id=156846


ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-10-03 09:16 AM
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3. #1 question CA residents need to ask ahhnuld immediately!....


What was the purpose and substance of the May 11, 2001 meeting with then-Mayor Richard Riordan, former junk bond king Michael Milken, and Arnold Schwarzenegger? Lawmakers should obtain the materials Ken Lay provided at that meeting.

I certainly and glad that this is being made public...did ahhnuld have Enron stock and when did he sell it...was he part of CA rape by Kenny boy?





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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-03 07:38 PM
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35. KICK this
;-)
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-03 07:43 PM
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36. I accidentally duped this CW
As if we need more proof, Conason reminds us of the deep Bush connection in the war on California that began 1/01: KEN LAY MET WITH ARNOLD in 2001! What do you think they talked about? Movies?
It would seem to me that this provides a link to the White House that we have suspected all along. Is it coincidental that the architect and main proponent of the California Energy Deregulation bill , Pete Wilson, is now the Chief of Staff for Arnold?

By the way, the media spin on the budget mess is totally glossing over the part that the energy company -Bush Patron ripoff of the state played in our current crisis. The spin coming from media is "the Dotcom bust did it- and Davis's gov't failed to adjust for this loss in income"

Anti-Recall web site:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Califunitedvsrecall/?yguid=156308641



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