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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 09:28 PM
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Hey GD, you're livin' in the past
Edited on Fri May-21-04 09:46 PM by troublemaker
This ought to get Berg and prisoner abuse on the backburner. For once I'll keep my mouth shut and let everyone take in the importance of this on their own. It's a moment worth savoring. (note: for those unfamiliar, NEWSDAY is one of the 10 most respected papers in the US.)

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-uschal0522,0,340595.story?coll=ny-top-span-headlines

ON EDIT: This thread on the same topic has gotten off to a brisker start:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1643886#1643989
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 09:32 PM
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1. Blame game No. 14
Chalabi and the Iranians started the Iraq war.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 11:17 PM
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11. Actually, that's just as damning...

In some ways it's worse....
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 09:34 PM
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2. A spin to spin the spinning wheel into orbit..
Right...

The US was sucked into attacking Iraq by Iran by a nasty scheming Iraqi called Chalabi.

Yip... that makes more sense than PNAC finally getting its way.

Chalabi, for the 1 millionth time, told the Pentagon warmongers what they wanted to hear. Unless they were halfwits they must have known his information lacked credibility... but they did not care because they had decided back in September 2001 that they were going to use 911 to justify a war on Iraq and so they took everything Ahmed told them as gospel.

This latest wrinkle in the long running disinformation war changes not a jot.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 09:35 PM
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3. This article is very interesting and a good summary of why the CIA
can cart all this info out now (they must be laughing their socks off, after all the insults and blame they have received from BFEE). It could not happen to nicer people.
But even without knowing anything about criminal joke Chalabi, one look at his face, at his attitude, at the rictus in his mouth, tells you he IS NOT TO BE TRUSTED.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 09:35 PM
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4. No, you know who's really at fault
Edited on Fri May-21-04 09:36 PM by EstimatedProphet
Bill Clinton, of course! Had he not allowed Chalabi to develop an anti-information team, then Bush would never have wanted to invade and take over a country clearly ripe for the picking. Clinton let this happen ON PURPOSE just to destroy Bush, so that Bush couldn't possibly know that he shouldn't take over countries out of greed! The nerve!
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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 09:43 PM
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5. Hey... this article isn't about Chalabi
It's about Iran.

Everybody knows Chalabi played us. That's old news.

If it stands up that he played us at Iran's behest that's a whole different story.

This is the sort of story that loses non-fundamentalist suburban Republicans in droves.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 11:18 PM
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12. bingo.....good point.....
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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 09:44 PM
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6. Dubya, you've been HAD! Played like a fiddle by Iran
"He described it as "one of the most sophisticated and successful intelligence operations in history."
"I'm a spook. I appreciate good work. This was good work," he said."
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 10:04 PM
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8. And since Russia has been heavily involved in Iran for a few years...??
Maybe it is Putin that has played Dubya?? Maybe he didn't see just how conniving he was when he looked into his eyes??
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 10:02 PM
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7. Bu$h is an incompetent chump. He should be impeached immediately.
Remember how Bu$h and the neocons used selective intelligence to build a case for war? We went to war because these fools believed a freaking spy?????:

Retired intelligence officials from both the CIA and the DIA are also coming out with ever-stronger statements accusing the intelligence community of twisting and exaggerating the evidence to justify war. They say that both agencies were intimidated by the political pressure exerted, in particular by neo-conservative hawks under Cheney and Rumsfeld, who even established a special unit in the defense secretary's office to determine what intelligence was "missing".

Much of the evidence on which the WMD case was based came from defectors supplied by the Iraqi National Congress (INC), an exile group headed by Ahmed Chalabi that has been championed by the neo-conservatives - including Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, Cheney chief of staff I Lewis Libby and Defense Policy Board members Richard Perle, Kenneth Adelman and James Woolsey - for more than a decade.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EF04Ak02.html
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 10:35 PM
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9. No no no...
"Stay the course" my friend....
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keithyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 11:04 PM
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10. Now we will have to invade Iran. What else can we do?
One thing, Clinton didn't invade Iraq.
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FrankBooth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 11:24 PM
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13. The wingers will be blaming Clinton shortly
You can count on that.
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