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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 11:47 AM
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I watched Bill Clinton last night, god I miss having an intelligent
and articulate person to lead the country. He gave his speech, and didn't hesitate or stumble, or, say uhm every third word.
I don't know where we would be if someone other than this unelected moran* were president, but, I suspect we wouldn't be in the mess we're in today.
How in the hell did we get in this mess? If you run the chimp* and Clinton side by giving speeches, I don't know how the blinders would'nt come crashing off.

Damn, I miss having a real leader.
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KissMyAsscroft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 11:49 AM
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1. It really is sad to watch the contrast..


It makes you weep for our country.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 11:51 AM
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3. Remember the debates between Gore and BushJr?
I still can't fathom how anyone would say that Bush actually "won" any of those. But they did...
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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 12:17 PM
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10. I was shocked to hear people say * won the debates...
as well. I have yet to get over that, I mean I thought I was weird, because I thought he was so clearly unpresidential yet, many around me said I was wrong. On a good note, most of those now see they were wrong!
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frankly_fedup2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 11:50 AM
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2. Ditto! (nt)
nt
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Lindsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 11:53 AM
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6. Where did he speak?
Do you know if it will be on cspan? I also absolutely adore watchng him speak. He's one of the best I've ever seen.
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 11:59 AM
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9. He was in Lawrence Ks.
Speaking at KU the opening of the (gag) dole center. I don't know if they'll run it again, you should be able to watch it from cspan's site though.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 11:52 AM
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4. I'll bet everything he said had substance, was grammatically correct
and his use of words exquisitely chosen for their exact meaning. I miss him too.
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 11:53 AM
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5. I agree, Former President Clinton still inspires and encourages
people. I'll never understand why people vote for someone like Bush, I know that I could never run a country and deal in foreign affairs, why the hell would I want someone like me to run America? Bush will go down in history as an American experiment gone bad, do not hire an average guy to run an exceptional country. Vote for someone who raises the bar.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 11:57 AM
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8. Because Bush supposedly has morals and Clinton doesn't.
Since when is killing thousands of people for lies more moral than getting a BJ? Go figure.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 11:56 AM
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7. From a Rhodes Scholar to a...........
VILLAGE IDIOT! :argh:
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jdsmith Donating Member (612 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 01:02 PM
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11. Bush's verbal ineptitude is a strategem
"I'll bet everything he said had substance, was grammatically correct and his use of words exquisitely chosen for their exact meaning."

As Mark Crispin Miller made incredibly clear three years ago, and oas other rhetoricians and linguists (e.g., Geoffrey Nunberg) have made clear, Bush is a canny, even Machiavellian, politician for whom impaired language skills is a well-considered pose. Sure, he's a dope, but it's strategic dopiness.

We CANNOT let media fall for, and transmit, this "affable doofus" hokum this year. It's what Bushco. wants.
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sundancekid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 01:24 PM
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12. your point is well made and well taken -- here's more such research
http://www.opednews.com/kall%20bush_is_a_genius.htm

<snip>
While many progressives consider him a bumbling fool, he’s far from it. He may be a word bumbler, but to consider him a fool is, and has been a deadly mistake. We would be wiser to not only acknowledge his genius, but make a big deal about it-- a really big deal.

By showing the American people that he is a brilliant, conniving, conspiring manipulator, intent on taking power away from the American people, giving it to the corporate megapowers who funded his campaigns this will take some of the wind out of his sails. If we repeatedly emphasize that Bush is one of the sharpest hustlers and manipulators, instead of a dummy, we take away his "joe Everyman" persona that he’s used so effectively with the dittoheads.

<snip>
By showing him to be a manipulative genius, rather than an "aw shucks" kind of guy, then he will lose one element of empathy with the non-reading Michael Moore "stupid white men" who comprised the main demographic group that elected him.

He’s not another "dumb Joe" who can relate with them. He’s a super salesman, a political sharpie who cold-bloodedly uses people, uses their faiths, their religion, their trust, their patriotism, their fears as ingredients in his self- and corporate "investor-" serving sales pitch.
<snip>
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 01:30 PM
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13. Way too much credit for Bush
For a man with his knowledge of current affairs, he would make a perfect juror for any high profile case.
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jdsmith Donating Member (612 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 02:17 PM
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14. No credit to Bush
But rather to Bushco--Karl, Karen, etc.
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 03:26 PM
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16. But there are a lot of folks who truly have the same exposure
to trivia/information as Bush comes across as having. To them, Bush is relatable--they can connect because they don't know, either.

Perception goes a long way into making easily manipulated people think what you want. Haplessness serves Bush well. One would be more inclined to protect the kind of person Bush comes across as being to a very huge segment of this country. He's done it successfully, in spite of how the whole thing fell out in experience.

His own record beats him up, but the state-run media would have you believe that 'aw, shucks folks, he's at it again..."
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 03:12 PM
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15. This has been my point about Bush, too
and his feigned "connectivity" with the 'average Joe Sixpack'. There is none. When it's all said and done, he isn't going to cull by skin color--he's going to cull by how many zeros are in your bank account.

He's not hanging out with those dittoheads who think he can do no wrong. And they think they're onboard for the ride. They aren't. His circle of 'friends' stand to lose a whole lot without his endearing 'loyalty'. That is his weapon.

For all of his faults, and there are a bunch, he is not an inept, bumbling fart. He just plays one on TV. He is clever--he's gotten over this far on the American population, hasn't he? Convince who you can and intimidate who you can't.
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