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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 06:28 PM
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Newsweek: "Bush is largely incurious about the world"
"D-Day's Real Lessons
War leadership takes more than resolve and rhetoric. What Bush could learn from Churchill and FDR about his own fight."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5040844/

"Despite the administration's claims, there is still no convincing evidence of Iraqi ties to terrorism; no weapons of mass destruction have been found; we have not been greeted as liberators, and more Americans have died in Iraq since Bush prematurely declared victory aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln a year ago than had died there before. So the president has a learning curve to master, and he should start with the Great Men of the Greatest Generation—or else he may face Churchill's political fate, defeat at the polls in the wake of a war. Bush has read the right books, from Martin Gilbert and William Manchester on Churchill to Michael Beschloss, James MacGregor Burns and Arthur Schlesinger Jr. on Roosevelt. Whether he has absorbed the lessons of such works is another question."

"Bush eschews complexity; FDR and Churchill embraced it. Bush prefers to decide, not go into details or revisit issues; FDR and Churchill were constantly examining their own assumptions and immersing themselves in postwar planning. Bush is largely incurious about the world; FDR and Churchill wanted to know everything."

"Bush, however, likes his decisions quick and clean. "Let me tell you, in life you've just got to do what you think is right," he told foreign journalists in the Oval Office in the fall of 2001. "That's what a leader does. Leaders take a position not because of some poll or focus group; they should take a position on what they think is right and suffer the consequences. That's what a good leader does."
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 06:29 PM
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1. Bush makes decisions?
He prefers to decide, not go into details?

Is he consulting the magic 8-ball? Or is it purely his "gut instincts" that have gotten us into this nightmare?

http://www.wgoeshome.com



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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 06:31 PM
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3. "gut instincts"
Not HIS guts I'll bet. Maybe he sacrifices a chicken & reads the entrails?
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 07:00 PM
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11. Eight Ball - That's really disrespectuful of our President

he's obviously using a Oiuja Board
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 07:05 PM
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12. I doubt he uses a Oiuja Board
unless he only asks questions that require a yes or no answer. I can't imagine Shrub being able to keep track of message being spelled out letter by letter.
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 07:07 PM
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13. I cant imagine him consuming it any other way
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GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 06:30 PM
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2. Bush Is Largely Incurious About the World!?
The hell you say!

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justgamma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 06:35 PM
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4. Take the consequences?
Edited on Sun May-23-04 06:36 PM by justgamma
When's the fearless leader going to start?
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lindashaw Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 06:36 PM
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5. I've heard that one of the characteristics of a "dry drunk" is that
they can't handle complexities. Their brain can function with things in black and white.
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checks-n-balances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 07:36 PM
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18. What about the electorate (his supporters) who only think in black & white
What's their excuse? (Just wondering...)
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 10:52 PM
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22. Yes, exactly. Still trying to justify their behavior, needing to
define things as "right" or "wrong", "black" or "white", etc.

Very much an unrecovering substance abuser.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 06:39 PM
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6. He's been getting a pass
with this "incurious" shit since day one. Bullshit. He's not incurious. He's dumber than a brick. He's always been dumber than a brick.
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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 07:36 PM
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17. Careful
Edited on Sun May-23-04 07:37 PM by loyalsister
incurious is a choice and it's his responsibility. Dumb isn't, and in that case he can be seen as a victim. Rove prefers dumb.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 06:41 PM
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7. "That's what a good leader does." Bullshit
That's what a meglomaniac does. A good leader confers, studies, reflects,
listens, creates consensus. Then he/she acts, and takes responsibility
for those actions.

Bush has been a grownup infant--being taken care of and bailed out by
others--all of his life. He knows nothing about leadership.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 06:50 PM
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8. Booze Baby Bottle Bush


HAll he needs now is his pampers!
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TroubleMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 06:53 PM
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9. INCURIOUS GEORGE!!!!!
Edited on Sun May-23-04 06:54 PM by TroubleMan
YES!!

That's the perfect name for him.
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jackstraw45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 07:14 PM
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16. Hmm...what is curious george again?


Now we have the uncurious Chimp.

Graphic anyone?
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BlackVelvetElvis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 06:55 PM
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10. Imagine if he were president during the Cuban missle crisis
That's is ONE HORRIFIC thought.
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 07:12 PM
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14. During the Cuban Missile Crisis

George was busy learning his leadership skills torturing and killing frogs
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Marymarg Donating Member (773 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 07:12 PM
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15. Incurious???
Is the term "incurious" a euphemism for stupid? It must be because curiosity is an early sign of intellectual giftedness in children.

I find it amusing at best that he is given a pass on being "incurious" as if it is a quality that does not matter for the office of US President!!!

On a personal level, have you ever in your whole life known a bright person who is also "incurious?"
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 07:42 PM
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19. "That's what a good leader does."
:wtf:

What in the hell does he know about what a good leader would or would not do?
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 08:14 PM
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20. Wrong. Bushit. He never read a book. Period.
Another puff piece camouflaged as a critique. Attempts to give the false impression that Bush reads books about famous leaders.

He doesn't read anything below a headline. If that.
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Veggie Meathead Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 10:49 PM
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21. Newsweek and other propaganda rags do two things well.
They preserve comfortable fictions and they ignore the obvious.As an example of the first,we can take Bush reading anything, his PDB's or books.As an example of the second, they never question how he could not have known what was going on at Abu Ghraib when it was he who gave the orders.On and on it goes.
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SarahB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 10:52 PM
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23. Gee whiz, just what you want from the leader of the free world.
:eyes:
Not that we didn't already know this though. Still pretty sad that there are actually people (voters) who perceive simple-mindedness as a virtue. :(
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 11:06 PM
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24. You know, I'm pissed about that euphemism,
"Intellectually incurious." You know what that means? It means "fucking stupid." There, I said it.

I can't respect a President who doesn't respect me, or other human life out there--our sons and daughters, people not so fortunate as to be Americans....

"Fucking stupid." Remember that. Remember it for all time.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 01:47 PM
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34. "Dumb as a box of rocks"
"Stupid as a sack of tire tools."

Alternate descriptions of mental status:

"One taco shy of a combination plate."

"Crazy as a rat on acid."

(Love those folksy Texas sayings.)
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TheWizardOfMudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 11:42 PM
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25. I'd settle for . . .
. . . innocuous to the world.
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elf Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 11:52 PM
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26. and we are, where he brought us with this!
Bush, however, likes his decisions quick and clean. "Let me tell you, in life you've just got to do what you think is right," he told foreign journalists in the Oval Office in the fall of 2001. "That's what a leader does. Leaders take a position not because of some poll or focus group; they should take a position on what they think is right and suffer the consequences. That's what a good leader does."

:nuke:
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 11:57 PM
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27. Here's The Deal...He Believes A God Speaks To Him And Tells Him What To Do
He believes that his "decisions" are divinely inspired and infallible. Even if it's a hasty decision, a snap-judgment, an ill-informed foolish choice... he honestly believes that he can do no wrong.

He is an idiot. A certifiably insane idiot.

This whole administration is insane!

It's a fucking mad house! A MAD HOUSE!

-- Allen
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 11:57 PM
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28. Bush has lost Newsweek too?
The icefloe is shrinking rapidly...
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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 12:13 AM
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29. He's right there
"That's what a leader does. Leaders take a position not because of some poll or focus group; they should take a position on what they think is right and suffer the consequences. That's what a good leader does."

And the consequence is getting his booty kicked out.
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Kimber Scott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 12:27 AM
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30. Good article.
Kick.
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 12:35 AM
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31. No, that's not what a good leader does
A good leader researches the facts and takes advice from experts. Digging your heels in the sand and demanding your way with no argument all the time doesn't work for leading anything past a 3rd grade kickball team.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 01:39 PM
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32. What consequences does * suffer for his positions?
"Leaders take a position not because of some poll or focus group; they should take a position on what they think is right and suffer the consequences. That's what a good leader does."

Why does he talk down to everyone? Or is he just trying to convince himself he actually knows what he is talking about? His condescending way of "explaining" whatever crap he is pushing,at any given moment, is really beginning to grate on my last nerve. He talks like the idiot he is and people fall for it. Plain spoken my ass!
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 01:56 PM
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36. My guess would be that in Bush's mind the consequences are...
...having to witness the suffering of families who have lost loved ones in Iraq. Having to bear the burden of witnessing their suffering. Having to be out on the campaign trail and look at some mother sobbing over the son or daughter that was killed in Iraq. You've seen it in press releases...you've heard him talk about "terrible loss" and "brave sacrifice" and every night he's in bed at 10:00 as usual, oblivious to the world around him and totally in alignment with God for his good works and living in God's will and divine purpose for his life. Sleeping peacefully like he doesn't have a care in the world. Because he DOESN'T.

And that's the scary part. If anyone here truly believes that he gives a flying fuck about ANY of that, step up and be heard. Equal time for all.



Because...this useless motherfucker who has not attended ONE funeral of any fallen U.S. soldier...PROBABLY believes that all of the above is true. That those ARE his consequences.

Seriously...it sounds ridiculous to anyone with a rational mind, but take a moment and visit the "Presidential Prayer Team" Web Site if you have any doubts. For anyone who cares, the scripture refernce in their banner is "Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord, the people he chose for his inheritance." Perfect scripture for Crusader Bush.



http://www.presidentialprayerteam.org/
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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 01:43 PM
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33. Bush reminds me of one of those medieval
kings and popes. You know, those ones that make you want to kick yourself in the face?
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-04 01:51 PM
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35. they should take a position on what they think is right and suffer the con
A leader examines all sides of an issue and with the aid of advisor's determine a path to follow until something turns up to cause one to rethink their position. That is what a leader does. Bush* is no leader. Never was a leader and never will be a leader. It is not in his makeup. He does not possess an analytical mind. He fits the definition of Conservative to a tee. Close minded and not willing to change views or compromise.
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