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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 04:26 PM
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BBV: Counties rescinding touch screen contracts
Edited on Wed May-26-04 04:30 PM by BevHarris
Over a dozen Ohio counties have decided not to reaffirm their contracts for touch screens (a brilliant move by Ohio senator Teresa Fedor put an act through the legislature that automatically rescinded all touch screen contracts, allowing all counties to get out of the purchase without penalties; they are in the process of "reaffirming" and many are simply not going with it.)

However, there is a meeting with the election officials and the vendors, but no citizens, scheduled for May 28-29. One of our volunteers is going to try to get into it.

Big news

Solano County, California is officially dumping its Diebold touch screens, even though Diebold tried so hard to get them to stay on board that they were offering to almost give it to them for free.

SOLANO County cans Diebold system
Tri-Valley Herald - Pleasanton,CA,USA
Despite the offer of a virtually free voting system for November, Solano County threw out its $4.1 million contract with Diebold Election Systems Inc. ...
http://www.trivalleyherald.com/Stories/0,1413,86~10669~2172589,00.html

Other California counties haven't decided yet.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 04:28 PM
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1. Bev the winds are a' changing all that hard work
from you and others has worked.

By the way, should we continue to say hi to Mike?

(Hi Mike, have done your homework yet, and read your copy of the Constitution Mike?)
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 04:31 PM
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4. Indeed. Hi, Mike.
And hi to whoever was breathing on my phone today as I discussed a particularly sensitive issue with Andy.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 04:29 PM
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2. And TEXAS news -- for a place that loves its touch screens
Andy and I will be in Texas shortly, doing some investigation on procedural problems and following the money trail that is driving the voting industry. Black Box Voting, has many Texas members, and we’ll be making some visits to those who share our interest in improving our voting system.

If you have information you’d like to see investigated, please let us know (Bevharrismail@aol.com). Suggestions for key people to visit -- on both sides of the issue -- are helpful.

Also, if you would like to set up a speaking engagement in Texas to mobilize members of the community, we may be able to do that. We are talking about the last two weeks of June.

I have already met with several groups in Texas -- very dynamic people, who are doing a terrific job. One set of people I have not had the opportunity to join forces with (yet) is Safevoting.org, a coalition of Texas groups. Since the opposition is focusing on strategies to run out the clock, it is very important that we work shoulder to shoulder. I haven’t been able to get contact information for whoever is actually coordinating that coalition. Let me know if you are aware of other groups we should coordinate with.

Texans: Let us know if there is anything you’d like to share, as we meander back to the Lone Star State.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 04:32 PM
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5. The stars at night are big and Bright. *clap* *clap* *clap*
Deep in the heart of Texas......


MMMMM...grease burgers...RC Cola...peanut patties...fresh okra...OMG I can't wait!
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 04:35 PM
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10. gag.
I prefer California cuisine, sorry.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 04:40 PM
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11. You have not lived till you have had a
grease burger...I will take you to the best place in Texas to get one.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 05:01 PM
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19. *bouncebouncebounce*
Edited on Wed May-26-04 05:03 PM by VelmaD
You're coming to Texas :bounce:

Oh, and if it's the last 2 weeks of June then you'll be here during the State Democratic convention. That would be kewl. We're planning a big get-together for that. I'll get with you about where and when it is.

on edit: the State Party Convention is in Houston on the 18th and 19th of June.
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ursacorwin Donating Member (528 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 04:43 PM
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13. bev you be careful in tx
i was just there last month and it sure is a different little world...especially in the places i suspect your trail will lead you. i've got a buddy in tx, and the stories he tells me about running a business have taught me that texans play rough. you're too important to lose now.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 04:57 PM
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17. Don't Worry!!!
I am a Texan and will keep her safe.

I promise...cross my heart.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 04:59 PM
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18. Well, the place I just left in our kickbacks investigation
yielded pay dirt. But then the locals told me I'd better watch out, it's mob dominated. Sometimes it's better not to know about these things.
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 04:31 PM
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3. Excellent news!
Thank God for "conspiracy theorists!"
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 04:34 PM
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7. I am packing a big ol supply of
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 04:34 PM
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6. They should sue for damages too (assuming they had contractual provisions
Edited on Wed May-26-04 04:34 PM by AP
allowing damages).

Watchdogs should make sure that, at the very least, their counties aren't obligated to make ANY further payments under these contracts.

I can bet there are a few politicians out there who will try to continue to pay Diebold a little something, claiming their contracts obligate them to do so even though they've stopped using the machines.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 04:35 PM
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8. San Diego has refused to pay for the system they ordered
Edited on Wed May-26-04 04:36 PM by BevHarris
But I think they should demand restitution for ALL their expenses, plus punitive damages.
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CitizenRob Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 04:35 PM
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9. And the dominos fall.
BevHarris,

You are the prime example of the "great man" theory in history. In your case though, it's "great woman" but you get the point. Through your focus and leadership your hard work has changed the course of the coming electronic coup. No longer can the Republicans giggle behind their closed doors as they put in rigged voting computers just waiting to be manipulated. Hopefully more counties, and more cities will refuse to accept these orwellian devices into their polling place.

Thank you Beverly Harris, you are an inspiration.

CitizenRob
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 04:41 PM
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12. "Hopefully...
more cities will refuse to accept these orwellian devices into their polling place."

They will think twice anyway.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 04:43 PM
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14. How IS that Diebold stock doing these days?
:shrug:
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 04:55 PM
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16. Actually, Bloomberg News did a piece on that
Edited on Wed May-26-04 04:57 PM by BevHarris
http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=nifea&&sid=alE76fVHoxr8

Diebold's Voting Machine Expansion Rattles Investors, States
May 21 (Bloomberg) -- Diebold Inc. Chief Executive Officer Walden O'Dell says his company won't stop making voting machines, even though states challenge their reliability and investors say there's too little profit in the effort.

...``We walked into a minefield and maybe made some mistakes along the way,'' says O'Dell, who wears a tie dotted with American flags. ``Our heart and soul and energy are all in the right place here.''

Don Taylor, who manages $1.8 billion in the Franklin Rising Dividends Fund, says he wishes that North Canton, Ohio-based Diebold would stick to making automated teller machines and safes. The voting-machine unit was the worst performing of any of Diebold's three divisions last year. Sales of voting machines fell 9.7 percent, the company reported in January. Profit from voting machines dropped 32 percent to $6.4 million. It was the only Diebold unit reporting declines. Diebold has had average annual revenue growth of 31 percent over the past five years.

`Sell the Business'

``The voting machine business has been a disappointment since they got into it,'' Taylor says. ``I'd like to see them sell the business, personally, though I highly doubt that's going to happen.''

Diebold shares have fallen 12 percent this year, dropping 30 cents to $47.40 at 4:02 p.m. yesterday in trading on the New York Stock Exchange. It's not because of the company's financial performance, says Taylor, whose Fort Lee, New Jersey, fund holds 502,000 Diebold shares. Investors are selling Diebold shares because the company makes touch-screen voting machines.

O'Dell says he considers it his public duty to press ahead with voting machines...

In Georgia, Diebold's machines might have been tampered with by the company just before the 2002 Senate and gubernatorial elections, says Bev Harris, a journalist who's written a book critical of the voting industry (``Black Box Voting: Ballot Tampering in the 21st Century,'' 2004,). Harris says a Diebold worker replaced the software to improve efficiency on all of the machines in the state in the weeks before the elections...

Didn't Change Outcome

``We have a situation where one guy made program changes that counted a million votes and no one knows what he did,'' Harris says. She says she has no proof that the changes had an effect on the election's results. ``It could be perfectly benign,'' she says.

The programmer was performing routine maintenance, says Diebold spokesman Mike Jacobsen. ``It had nothing to do with the software used to tabulate votes,'' he says.

The Diebold machines didn't have any effect on the elections, says University of Georgia political science professor Charles Bullock, who says he's a political independent.

...The error might cost Diebold sales, particularly among states whose officials are Democrats, says Stephen Tabb, who helps manage $3 billion for New York-based Toque Ville Asset Management LP.

``At first, I was giving them the benefit of the doubt with this voting machine business,'' says Tabb, who sold his Diebold shares last month. ``I feel they haven't been doing a good job in that area, and they are going to lose out.''...

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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-26-04 04:45 PM
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15. Way cool!
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