A chastened freeper

Went to see the jeweler today (long time acquaintance) and, in keeping with tradition, put his photo of bushie and wife in the trash can.
Lady customer asked why i did that and i told her bush was destroying us in every possible way.
No no she answered with the stock remark - he saved us from terrorism.
Please defy terrorism says i ready to pounce.
Its when you are attacked in your own home and thousands of civilians die.
Ah said I with a wise look and lips curling in contempt, what do you think of Chile, Nicaragua, Panama, El Salvador, Argentina and brazil and our invention of death squads to kill those who disagree with america?
Huh?????
Let me tell you about them and about the bush family history.
Prescott bush was doing business with the nazis till pearl harbor, papa bush who is a board member of the Carlyle Group, a bunching of scheming greedy traders of death and destruction (weapons) has been awarded billions of dollars in contracts.
Oh I cant believe that - your making this up.
I suggest you go read some history - then you decide for yourself but parroting some screaming loud mouthed clown on tv is not what i consider to be an educated approach to understanding politics.
She left the store with her shoulders slightly sagging.

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why? ignorance is our deadliest enemy and if i can find a way to kill it - why not?

After all, it hasn't made any of us believe Shrimpy the Chimp; why would it work on a random person you chose to treat to your curled lip and odd speech ("defy terrorism'? We all defy terrorism; perhaps you meant "define.")

Quite obviously it is. She has gleaned her political insights from those who are rude, supercilious, bloviators in spite of the plethora of historical fact readily available to anyone inclined to educate himself or herself. She has chosen the sources she has because their methods appeal to her and it's easier not to think.

Unlike yourself I have a high opinion of my fellow human beings...I don't assume they are stupid because stupidity is their nature...I assume they have the same intellect that I do and they have chosen not to use it because such a choice has historically yielded them pleasure. I'm more than willing to give them credit for their choice and call it what it is. It peals the wrapper of bliss from their intentional stupidity...and makes their belly full of self serving pretense allot less appetizing.

I am tolerant to a fault....as long as the situation I am faced with does me and mine no harm. Intentional, prideful, self serving ignorance does do me harm. It does my fellow human beings harm, it does my country harm and it does the world harm....and that, I SHALL NOT TOLERATE....EVER.

You suggest AWOL Georges rude and supercilious nature hasn't inspired any of us to believe him? I'll grant you that....that in and of itself hasn't inspired me to disbelieve him either. My disbelief is founded upon the most cursory of research...nothing more...nothing less. AWOLS temperament has had nothing to do with it one way or the other. Unfortunately, many Americans...like this woman have been inspired to believe him expressly because he is rude and supercilious....and very little else.

I myself, have found it quite effective to point out in a severely intolerant fashion, one which naturally attracts their attention that to warrant my respect, one must be a good citizen, and to be a good citizen, one must be an educated citizen. I may not put it across in those words...by my sentiments are quite clear.





RC

eloquence is another weapon against the intolerable ignorance spreading like wildfire across this country!!

Someone who believes an idea just because it was repeated enough times. Obviously a person that does not have the time or the inclination to study a topic. It all comes down to what is important to you.

Hurrah!

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I especially like the 'screaming loud mouthed clown on tv' part...
heh heh, nice touch ;-)

Could add places like Burma and Africa to that ever growing list of countries you are so obviously, "making stuff up."

BTW what does your friend do when he sees his photos in the trash? Another nice touch I have ta say ;-)

Money speaks louder than principles

THe next time you encounter a person lacking in historical knowledge of the Bush family, why not take the time to provide a more complete education of both the Bush and the Kennedy families?

That might be especially important in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts or State of Rhode Island.

You might point out how Papa Joe Kennedy was a Nazi-sympathizer who gained a l arge part of his fortune through bootlegging.

Of course, what anything about a person's distant family has to do with their current politics is quite another thing.

But, since you seem to want to educate the ignorant, why not do a more complete job?

set up a podium, and bring an lcd projector. you could do a presentation.
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keep doing what you're doing, facts are our ammo.

:scared: Yeah, that compares to funding Hitler. :eyes:

Find out what policies Joe Kennedy advocated with regard to Herr Hitler while he was Ambassador to the Court of St. James.

materially or in spirit.

RC

It was right to tell her that our gov't is hardly above reproach both on the domestic and foreign fronts. But I didn't get a sense from your post that she was attacking you, so why attack her??

AFTER Pearl Harbor.

...and even after that, it's possible that he continued to rake in the money from concentration camp slave labor through a German steel company.

http://www.tarpley.net/bush2.htm

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Bush Property Seized--Trading with the Enemy

In October 1942, ten months after entering World War II, America was preparing its first assault against Nazi military forces. Prescott Bush was managing partner of Brown Brothers Harriman. His 18-year-old son George, the future U.S. President, had just begun training to become a naval pilot. On Oct. 20, 1942, the U.S. government ordered the seizure of Nazi German banking operations in New York City which were being conducted by Prescott Bush.

Under the Trading with the Enemy Act, the government took over the Union Banking Corporation, in which Bush was a director. The U.S. Alien Property Custodian seized Union Banking Corp.'s stock shares, all of which were owned by Prescott Bush, E. Roland `` Bunny '' Harriman, three Nazi executives, and two other associates of Bush.@s1

The order seizing the bank `` vests '' (seizes) `` all of the capital stock of Union Banking Corporation, a New York corporation, '' and names the holders of its shares as:

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until he used ann coulter for a source!
to which i replied
'wow, ann coulter? no, shes not bias at all is she? this conversations over till you get better sources.'

Facts have no effect when the "good feeling" is strong enough. 9/11 scared the crap out of many complacent rubes who have no idea what is going on in the world or politics. They just want to feel safe and secure - and Rove has tailored *'s message to create that effect. The BFEE is counting on that for the next election.

While your facts won't have any effect, your willingness to confront her publicly probably did. She now has been confronted with her own lack of knowledge and has probably been embarrassed.

That's emotional and will reduce the good feelings she gets from believing the crap from the RW from now on. Maybe even enough to cause her to question their story and reconsider her world-view. Now, that's worth the trouble you went through. Good on ya.



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when you enter.

Usually, if I'm surrounded by freepers in bank lines, restaurants, etc., I hear them chattering about inane crap like "Good thing Gore isn't president, he couldn't handle 911" and the usual BS. Ordinarly, I stay silent and simmer.

Anyway once, shortly after the 2000 sElection debacle, I was at a restaurant with my husband and two young children (I've got 3 now). Anyway, a table of Republicans were remarking how relieved they were that Gore didn't succeed in rigging the election. They said that the reason Gore had so many votes was because he made sure that all the convicted felons were registered to vote. One lady in this crew stated that the Democrats were handing out free packs of cigarettes to "those people" to make them get on a bus to go vote for Gore. That was the last straw!

I got up from the table, marched over to them and said "That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard! Who do you know that gave cigarettes to "those people." You are making that up and you know it, you group of nazi jerks!"

I couldn't use swear words because my kids were there. Anyway, other people in the restaurant started clapping. The nazi group looked ashen and ashamed.

It was a delicious moment - especially when you hear that crap so much. Good for you. That dumb lady won't change her mind. But she needed to hear it.

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