Rove claims he uncovered a Dean speech angrier then his Iowa Speech

Dean's angry Iowa outburst was not his first rant

Mr. Rove said in an interview with The Washington Times, he was not surprised when Mr. Dean compounded his big loss in the Iowa caucuses in January with an emotional rant that became fodder for late-night comics.
"That was not the first night he had a screed," Mr. Rove said.
He cited a speech by the former Vermont governor to the California Democratic Convention in Sacramento on March 15, 2003.
"We want our country back!" Mr. Dean thundered, drawing cheers from the party faithful. "I'm tired of being divided! I don't want to listen to the fundamentalist preachers anymore!
"I want America to look like America, where we are all included, hand in hand, walking down! We have a dream! We can only reach the dream if we are all together — black and white, gay and straight, man and woman! America! The Democratic Party! We are going to win in 2004!"
Mr. Rove said he considered the California speech angrier than the Iowa outburst 10 months later.
"Worse, worse, absolutely worse," he said. "In fact, we tested the dang thing. The peroration at the end is, like, 27 seconds long, so you can use it for television spots.
"And you just show it to people without any commentary. We showed it to people, and Democrats would say: 'Why does he hate gay people?' And it was because he was just so angry.
"And yet read how the press wrote it up: 'Dean energized them; took the campaign to a new level,' " Mr. Rove said. "What it tells us is, the press misses it."
Bush hatred is the "natural evolution of the politics of personal destruction, carried to its ultimate end," he said. "And what it becomes, ultimately, is self-destructive."

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Does anyone know anything about this speech Rove uncovered? Is this just more Rovean BS? I suspect it is.

What could POSSIBLY be the reason?

(hint: Gore gave a "crazy" speech that people are desperately trying to link to "crazy" Dean.)

And that scares the hell out of people.

Hence the "" around crazy.

And every one seems aimed to further divisions and grievances.

I actually find myself agreeing with BLM. Pigs CAN fly.

There was ONE other time. Don't sell yourself short. ;))))))))))))))))))))

WADR this is a dead, dead issue.

:puke:

What a slueth that Rove...IT WAS POSTED ON HIS WEBSITE.

Dumbass Rove thinks he's a genius again. So nice to know the Moonie Times is willing to give him a platform for his bullshit.

nothing rove says is ever to be taken at face value.

There is nothing crazy about Dean or Gore or any of their speeches.
Rove is a looser. He couldn't even win the election in 2000 with the help of the complicit media.

"the politics of personal destruction"

After what they did to Clinton for 8 years, listening to him whine about the press and "Bush hatred" is enought to make me :puke: .

...so why are you promoting Rove propaganda?

as well he might be, having heard Dean stick it to the repukes during the primaries!

Sorry, Mr. Rove.

Since when does Rove know enough Democrats to set up a focus group?

When he first called out: "I want my country back! I want my party back! I'm Howard Dean and I represent the Democratic wing of the Democratic party!"

It was the speech that first drew large numbers of people to Dean.

What's hilarious here is that Rove is still bashing Dean 4 months after New Hampshire and more than 3 months after he dropped out of the race. Are they terrified of him or what?

:hi:

When a post starts with "Rove" and "Washington Times" it's a pretty sure bet that it is a slanted piece against the Democracts.

What's the point anyway? They already sank Dean...bastards!

Don't shoot me, it is not like I believe anything he has to say.

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I know even talking about what Rove has to say is giving credence to his BS and lies. But, I still thought it was important.

...you are posting Moonie Times Rove propaganda on this board. And you are getting the response that kind of crap deserves...

How would that be different then Rove going after Dean?

It is psychoengineered by the Most Evil Minds in Amerika to dart past your conscious defenses and go direct to your brainstem!

FUCK YOU, Rove and THE REST of the NAZI MONSTERS.

(just because you haven't gotten violent yet, doesn't mean we don't recognize you for what YOU ARE!)

Uncle Karl can kiss my Jewish ass, the Nazi fuck!

Haven't you noticed Karl, we're exposing your Goebbels v2.0 program one person at a time!

You've really been off-the-chain today... I LOVE IT!!!

:loveya:

:hi:

Yeah, yesterday's Kerry Meetup plus today's Hannity Asswhipping has got my juices flowing.

Maybe we can win this thing!

I know some who have it downloaded, but would have to look it up. I know there are transcripts.

It was a wonderful speech. That is when my husband and I started supporting him.

Bush has no record to run on, and I guess they've run out of things to say about Kerry, so they're going back to attacking Dean?

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They have to attack someone and nothing seems to work on Kerry, in fact it backfires (Vietnam Vet vs Vietnam AWOL), so they run home to Mama. The good old whipping boy Dean.

that Dean isn't going to be the nominee.

used..not from KKKarl nor the "article" author. It is your choice of terminology. Unfortunate.

And, I will change it, I just thought Karl was implying Crazy when he was talking about his Iowa speech and saying this one was worse. and in no way do I believe anything he has to say.

I am a Dean supporter.

what is it that attracted you to Dean?

Something I can't say for the vast majority of dems.

with you original post. Self-preservation in the political climate, I guess. I'm a Dean supporter too and I think we need to give new posters a chance; we're just gun-shy from getting attacked for breathing. :)

I'll hold off passing final judgement and say ...welcome to DU! :hi:

an exaggeration, sorry.

I mean ECH. Take your dem disrupting Rovean BS somewhere else.

What he has to say, Jesus, I hate Rove and think he is saying total BS, but it is still important to post the lies and BS of those people.

Sorry, not buying. Bye bye.

It would be wrong to post about it and talk about how wrong he is? How would that be different then Karl attacking Dean in an interview and having a thread to attack him on how wrong he is?

I think it's a complete waste of time to do Rove's work for him and splash stupid attacks on Kerry all over this forum. Said it 100 times.

First, there was nothing at all "angry" about the Iowa speech or his "scream" at the end of it. In fact, it couldn't have been further away from angry. His "scream" was triumphant, in fact, and delivered over the voices of cheering supporters -- about 3000 of them -- and his whole speech was simply about going onward and upward from there. Not a single whiff of anger of any kind, shape or form.

So Rove starts off with a completely erroneous premise (but he knows that).

The CA speech he's referring to is one that brought the California Democratic Convention to its feet a number of times. I watched it on TV -- it was galvanizing, unforgettable. It's the speech where he started out, "What I wanna know is ... (where have the Democrats been?)" I also wouldn't characterize that one as particularly angry either, unless saying you don't like Bush and want him replaced constitutes "anger." And if "being tired of being divided by race, color, relgion, sexual preference" is anger, then so be it. Damned righteous anger. But there's also a message of hope embedded in it: we don't have to live like that, we don't have to accept that, we can do better than that and we will without George W. Bush.

Rove knows very well what he's doing -- but why now? Apparently ole Howard is still a threat, and God love him for that!

but this piece may also be right. That speech brought me to Dean but I'm a lefty. Look at Kerry now. He's laying low and is catching up to Dubya. Maybe this is the right way to do it. As long as Bush goes I don't care.

No, Rove is NOT right.

Dean isn't the nominee... Kerry is.

This is insanity.

They did, To this day, Dean is "the only one with an internet movement"
I don't exist - not even for Air America. The Rove myth rules.

fuck rove.

focus on other things like the Iraq war, Prisoner abuse... the economy.

Leave it up to Rove to look stuff up that no longer matters.

but I guess I feel there is something to be outraged about.

the Democratic candidate because he was anti-war from the beginning and Kerry has been tainted by his support for the war as has Bush.

John Kerry is the prospective Democratic candidate for president. Howard Dean is not.

Karl Rove is spending either tax money or RNC money on a crusade that will yield no results at all.

Maybe he can get his Swift Boat boys to claim that John Kerry once shared a bottle of Pepsi with Jane Fonda.

--bkl

He is just the messenger--his message is not Rove's.

"I'm tired of listening to fundamentalist preachers" is the phrase that turned me onto Dean.

Of course he was angry. I don't know about you, but I have 805 very good reasons to be angry at Bush.

It delivered exactly what I needed when everyone was felating Bush about his brave decision to ignore the world and take out Saddam. He spoke for me when very few in the democratic party would.

There seems to be a republican effort to denounce and destroy ANYBODY who expresses outrage over their incompetence.

and screaming at that period in time, not just the good doctor!

DU will automatically shorten the link. Or you can click on "HTML lookup table" and it will tell you how to make a link yourself.

The problem with tinylink and others like it is that you can't tell what the source is without clicking on the link. Some people (like me) don't want to go to certain sources--Drudge, Newsmax, etc.

:hi:

eom

because I'm nice like that. Sometimes.

your post would almost be disingenuous if it wasn't so transparent. there isn't anything angry about dean. what the right tries to do (along with ad hominem attacks and using all manner of logical fallacy) is pathologize people.

as if any opinion contrary to the fundamentalist christian right wing weltanschauung is tantamount to evidence of psychosis.

you claim to be a dean supporter, but then have to ask the DU community about the speech? then in the next breath ask if it is rovean BS?

ANYTHING THAT COMES OUT OR ROVE'S MOUTH IS BS!!!!

shill. go back to freerepublic.

sorry if i can't give you the benefit of the doubt, but you freepers give ABSOLUTELY no quarter.

if i am wrong, please disabuse me and i will offer my most solemn, humble apologies.

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