10 reasons the Kerry/McCain talk won't go away....

1. No matter what else you say, it IS driving the 'pug crazy when they see polls that show a complete trouncing of Shrubya. It scares them to even think the POSSIBILITY exists.. and like it or not, there is a POSSIBILITY.

2. Are there instances where McCain has gone against Democratic ideas. Absolutely. Are there instances where McCain has sided WITH Democratic ideas. Absolutely. McCain is on the bottom line his own man. People can insult and defame him all they want, he still is. And he's (lately) been getting just as much as it from his 'supposed' side of the floor as the Democrats. His 'support' for Shrubya is the most halfhearted I've seen in a long time. And it's obvious he's becoming disillusioned with the neonazis.

3. Democratic leaders are still floating his name for two reasons. First, see item #1, second, they're being BETTER to him than his own party ("Is he a Republican?"). In many way's it opening a door for McCain to bolt... and that takes us back to #1 again. Would they take McCain the Republican as a VP? NO. Would they take McCain the INDEPENDENT or McCain the DEMOCRAT AFTER he's disavowed, disowned and lambasted Shrubya as 'betraying the ideals of American' and 'his conscience giving him no choice but to join with people that want to heal AMERICAN... and a true UNITER, John Kerry". Big conditions. Big Implications. Back to #1 again.

4. If it happens, then sure, there will be democrats that will a) vote Nader, b) not vote, c) curse, defame and insult the man - just like the 'pug leadership has done. But how many 'pugs that just don't see any other option but Shrubya would cross over. More than you think. More than the dem's that would 'revolt'. Those that would give McCain the 'pug treatment.. you're won't be hurting Kerry, you're not voting for Shrubya instead. But those that would walk away from Shurbya to Kerry are DIRECTLY HAMMERING SHRUBYA. It's the difference between -1 Kerry, +0 Shrubya and +1 Kerry, -1 Shrubya .

5. People say that McCain won't do this because he 'took' the sliming and dirty tricks from Shrubya in 2000 and keeps 'supporting' Shrubya. For the second part of that see #2. For the rest. McCain is military. McCain is shrewd. Old adage "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

6. Big Friggin Time Name Recognition.

8. Short of a Kerry/Clark ticket, McCain puts two COMBAT VETERANS against two chicken hawks. What could the 'pugs do against that?

7. A side track back from #1. Absolute destruction of the Neo-Con Pugs. They would be history. It would splinter their party so hard that they would never recover. Some will follow McCain to the Dem side. Some will try to 'recover' the 'pugs as their own. No matter what, you'll see them splinter and destroy themselves.

8. Compromise/Unity. There comes a time when partisan division has to give way, for a little while, to the greater good of the country. Which is more important. Winning the office and leaving the neo-cons in control of the 'pugs and having to deal with them doing every dirty trick in the book the next years...or seeing them implode and rot from within and NEVER being an issue for a long, long time to come. Old Star Trek line... "the good of the many..."

9. Wouldn't you pay good money to see McCain rip Cheney a new one?? What 'skeletons in the closet' might McCain know about?

10. the MAJORITY of people want change, sometimes RADICAL change is what it takes to really get people moving.

so, curse, insult and defame me all you want.. I'm not advocating this. I'm not even saying it's going to happen, because the only way it happens is for #3 to happen FIRST.

Is it likely? Probably not...

Is it impossible? "Never Say Never, Mr Bond"

Knowing as much as I do about his record, it makes me crazy when I hear (good democrats) suggest this would be a good idea.

and Karl Rove is downing another Prilosec w a Gin Martini. . .

I seriously doubt it will ever happen - relax and try to enjoy how CRAZY it is making the Whitehouse.

Fiscal conservatives everywhere would flock to
a Kerry/McCain ticket.

Like the idea of a splintered ReThuglican Party.
I'd buy a front-row seat.

If so we'd all feel like idiots for helping to build the guy up so much. What if it's Bush/McCain or McCain/Powell?

I think Kerry will win in a landslide against Bush, but if the GOP gets creative we'll be in trouble.

hmmmmm, talk about mixing things up

McCain might not be offered the vice presidential nod but might be offered a significant post like Secretary of Defense....Kerry mentioned him first the other day when pointing out who could replace Rumsfeld immediately.

The other thing it shows is exactly HOW extreme this unelected drunk and most of the GOP is....when John McCain (who almost everyone would have to admit is well to the right on most issues) is too far left to suit them....

What are you some kinda freeper? Mc Cain is REPUBLICAN!! If I wanted a Republican, I'd vote for Bush. We have plenty of good Democrats why do we need Mc Cain. Mc Cain supports Bush. Mc Cain is not pro-choice. Mc Cain is a Conservative. If Kerry picks Mc Cain I've voting for Nader. If Kerry picks Mc Cain, the democratic party is dead. If Kerry pick Mc Cain, I'll poop my pants. I hate Mc Cain. If <blank> were the nominee, he wouldn't even TALK to Mc Cain. Mc Cain is the anti-Christ. Mc Cain is a poo-poo head. Get out of here freeper and go back to freeper land where you belong. If Mc Cain is VP, Kerry will slip on a banana peal and die, because that's KKKarl Rove's plan.

Did I cover all the stock responses?

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Number one reason for NOT naming a Republican for the VP slot with a Democrat in the P slot: It's just an invitation for those who find assasination to be a legitimate tool to insure a political victory for their party.*

Number two reason is less compelling, but still here it is: I would have to seriously consider giving my vote to Nader and I can't stand the egomaniac. But if Kerry were to show such lousy judgement in choosing a Veep (especially considering reason #1*), I would have a difficult time believing that I could trust his judgement in other areas.

*Please note that I am not suggesting that McCain would be a knowing party to any such endevor.

I'm not as averse to the idea as many of my fellow DUers are, though I seriuosly doubt it will happen.

It gets Kerry into the minds of Americans as a moderate who would actually consider a split ticket. I am convinced in my own mind there is no way in hell this would ever happen, but most Americans don't pay as close attention to politics as I do. It shows the Democrats as being reasonable and inclusive in stark contrast to Bush* and his distinct divisiveness and partisanship. It is a brilliant ploy by Kerry to get a very positive message out to America. Sometimes we don't give our candidates enough credit for strategy and creativity and intelligence.

because he could stop it in a heartbeat. A call to Kerry would do the trick, but I suspect there is another reason why McCain likes the idea kicked around. It's one of the following:

1. It's a thorn in shrubs side
2. He's auditioning for a cabinet position in a Kerry Admin.
3. He likes the publicity
4. He hopes Shrub makes him the next defense secretary or Sec. of State.

is to discredit McCain. They hate that he is a legitimate Republican and not a neo-con artist. The more they can associate him with Kerry, the less credible he seems to his constituency.

As long as we're speculating.

.. so what do you do?

I would like to see this ticket for the sole reason of completely stripping psycho freepers, radical Christians, and neocon ideologues of power. This disgusting group has been manipulating and leveraging millions of moderates (silent majority types) to execute their radical agenda. As long as this country remains 50/50, they can do extreme damage.

By getting McCain on board, the only ones left standing in support of Bush would be that unholy triumvirate mentioned above, and they would get decimated in a national election, McGovern-style.

I don't agree totally with point 3. I don't think it's necessary for McCain to leave the GOP to be VP.

True.. he wouldn't HAVE to bolt the GOP. But he WOULD have to blast the current party control. Hard to be a member of those you blast.

But -

- if he became an independent, he becomes more palitable to some

- if he became a Dem, he becomes even more acceptable.

- after blasting them, those that stay 'pugs wear the mantle he hangs on their next, those those that leave weaken them even more.

Necessary? No.
Desirable? Yes.

I saw somewhere that Senator Kerry was quoted as being amused about the GOP and Karl Rove going crazy everytime McCain is mentioned as a running mate for Senator Kerry. I love anything that would cause Karl Rove a sleepless night.