Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Brief report from the Toronto 9/11 Citizens Inquiry

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU
 
Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 11:13 PM
Original message
Brief report from the Toronto 9/11 Citizens Inquiry
I just want to say that I feel really priviledged to be able to attend this conference and to meet these people, and wish all you truthseekers could be there with me.

So many great presentations. Today alone, the schedule included Matthias Broeckers, bestselling German 9/11 researcher, Webster Tarpley, author of the unauthorized biography of GHWB, and DU's Paul Thompson.

Broeckers made the point that doing the research cannot be an end in itself; we need to make a legal case. We need to send people to jail for a long time. 9/11 needs a Jim Garrison.

An observation of Tarpley's I found salient: when a conspiracy including high officials succeeds, it can appear in hindsight as though the entire government colluded, because the engine of government switches tracks and pursues the conspirators' agenda. In fact, the conspiratorial circle remains small and compartmentalized.

Wednesday, NYC professor Jamey Hecht deconstructed the discrediting term "conspiracy theory," employing Dr Peter Dale Scott's "Deep Politics." That is, that conspiracies are not an aberration to the system; they are, rather, the supra-legal system at play. (Also, on Tuesday night, Jamey performed his hiphop tribute to RFK, which streams on this page - http://www.jameyhecht.com/RobertFKennedy.html - and kicks ass.)

Michel Chossudovsky spoke forcefully Thursday on al Qaeda's role as an intelligence asset of the CIA, and creature of the ISI. His material regarding al Qaeda's part in the Balkan conflict as an ally of US policy as late as 1999 is extremely important.

Toronto lawyer Rocco Galati - an attorney for Lt Delmart Vreeland, and many of the "usual suspects" swept up post-9/11 - made, I think, a very important point: as we expose the Big Lie, we ought to resist the temptation to construct the truth. It's a needless and fruitless distraction to attempt to explain how 9/11 happened. It's enough to prove how it couldn't have happened. That is, that the "official story" is absolute bullshit.

Lots more, and more to come. Won't be able to attend tomorrow, but looking forward to Sunday, which includes presentations from 9/11 widow Ellen Mariani and Michael Ruppert.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 11:24 PM
Response to Original message
1. thank you for the update - you are lucky to be able to attend
is anyone streaming the speakers? that would be terrific. radio4all.net has some mp3s by tuc radio of the conference held in SF. good stuff with some of the same speakers but I think the toronto inquiry has more.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 11:30 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. Don't think there's streaming.
CIUT-FM in Toronto has had good coverage, but I don't believe they've been streaming.

Everything's being filmed, though, by http://www.snowshoefilms.com/ (they have some videos of the SF conference there for downloading). Some should become available online there shortly, and every presentation will become available for purchase eventually, likely through the inquiry website: http://www.911inquiry.org/
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 08:37 AM
Response to Original message
3. kick n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 09:53 AM
Response to Original message
4. Bookmarked and kicked! Much obliged Minstrel Boy!
Thanks for the reportage! It reads like we were there taking notes ourselves. This represents a lot of real work.

What else did Chossudovsky say regarding the Pakistani's role n 9-11? Anything on ties to Poppy Bush or Pruneface Reagan, or Bill Casey or William Gates?

Did Galati relate if Vreeland was helping get the truth out or is he interested only in protecting his hindquarters?

Thanks, DU Friend! Take good care!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 12:25 PM
Response to Reply #4
10. Chossudovsky elaborated the ISI-CIA relationship,
going into dtail on Atta and Tenet's buddy, Mahmood Ahmed. Chossudovsky doesn't have much to say about the Bush clan; he sees them as merely the facade of a corruption which is actually systemic. Tarpley, not surprisingly, has more to say about the Bushies.

Rocco, unfortunately, didn't speak much about Vreeland at all. He knows there's a mystery there, but he doesn't know what it means.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 09:09 PM
Response to Reply #10
11. I don't believe in coincidence theory.
I do believe in Goldfinger's Theorem:

"Once, it's happenstance.
Twice, it's coincidence.
Three times, it's enemy action."

Mahmood Ahmed is the only person separating Mohammed Atta and George Tenet -- not by much and not surprisingly. So here's as good a time as any to introduce Richard Armitage's name ...



http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex/Documents/armitageISIatta.htm

Who Is Richard Armitage
And What Is His Interest In Afghanistan?

Armitage, The ISI and 911 Hijacker Mohammed Atta



ISI chief's parleys continue in US
Karachi News, 9 September 2001

" ISI Chief Lt-Gen Mahmood's week-long presence in Washington has triggered speculation about the agenda of his mysterious meetings at the Pentagon and National Security Council. Officially, State Department sources say he is on a routine visit in return to CIA Director George Tenet's earlier visit to Islamabad. Official sources confirm that he met Tenet this week. He also held long parleys with unspecified officials at the White House and the Pentagon. But the most important meeting was with Mark Grossman, US Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs. US sources would not furnish any details beyond saying that the two discussed 'matters of mutual interests.' What those matters could be is a matter of pure conjecture..... What added interest to his visit is the history of such visits. Last time Ziauddin Butt, Mahmood's predecessor, was here during Nawaz Sharif's government the domestic politics turned topsy-turvy within days. That this is not the first visit by Mahmood in the last three months shows the urgency of the ongoing parleys."


India helped FBI trace ISI-terrorist links
Times of India, 9 October 2002

"While the Pakistani Inter Services Public Relations claimed that former ISI director-general Lt-Gen Mahmud Ahmad sought retirement after being superseded on Monday, the truth is more shocking. Top sources confirmed here on Tuesday, that the general lost his job because of the 'evidence' India produced to show his links to one of the suicide bombers that wrecked the World Trade Centre. The US authorities sought his removal after confirming the fact that $100,000 were wired to WTC hijacker Mohammed Atta from Pakistan by Ahmad Umar Sheikh at the instance of Gen Mahumd. A direct link between ISI and the WTC attack could have enormous repercussions ..... "



CIA Overshadows the Presidency
Political Deception: The Missing Link behind 9-11


"Dr. Rice's statement regarding the ISI chief at her May 16 press conference, is an obvious cover-up. While General Ahmad was talking to U.S. officials at the CIA and the Pentagon, he had allegedly also been in contact (through a third party) with the September 11terrorists. What this suggests is that key individuals within the U.S. military-intelligence establishment knew about these ISI contacts with the September 11 terrorist ‘ring leader', Mohammed Atta, and failed to act. But this conclusion is, in fact, an understatement. Everything indicates that CIA Director George Tenet and ISI Chief General Mahmoud Ahmad, had established a close working relationship. General Mahmoud had arrived a week prior to September 11 for consultations with George Tenet. Bear in mind that the CIA's George Tenet, also has a close personal relationship with President Bush. Prior to September 11, Tenet would meet the President nearly every morning at 8:00 a.m. sharp, for about half an hour. A document, known as the President's Daily Briefing, or PDB, 'is prepared at Langley by the CIA's analytical directorate, and a draft goes home with Tenet each night. Tenet edits it personally and delivers it orally during his early morning meeting with Bush.' This practice of 'oral intelligence briefings' is unprecedented. Bush's predecessors at the White House, received a written briefing.... Did Bush, with his minimal understanding of foreign policy issues, know all the details regarding General Mahmoud and the 'ISI connection'? Did Tenet and Cheney distort the facts, so as to get the Commander-in-Chief's 'thumbs up' for a military operation which was already in the pipeline? In a bitter irony, a meeting between Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage and General Mahmoud, the 9-11 'money man', was scheduled at the State Department for the morning after September 11 to discuss their strategy."



Global Outlook, No. 2. Summer 2002
Centre for Research on Globalisation (CRG)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 11:19 PM
Response to Reply #11
13. And let's not forget about Armitage:
he's up to the very tippy top of his shiny head in the protected trade in heroin. He goes way back to the Golden Triangle. Think he has maybe a passing interest in Afghanistan, hmmm?

You've read the eyewitness testimony, I'm sure, of the bodies of GIs killed in Vietnam being gutted and stuffed with heroin for transport stateside. I think it was first reported in Alfred McCoy's landmark The Politics of Heroin. And despite the documentation, time and time again, of official complicity in the drug trade, most choose denial over the discomforting truth.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 11:37 PM
Response to Reply #13
15. It's cost good DEA agents their jobs -- Cele Castillo.
For one.

Journalists, too. Gary Webb and Robert Parry, for two.

Well, this ain't about them. This story is by a guy discarded by the gangsters and the mafia. He also may be guilty, but he sure as shootin' saw somethin'.

MESSAGE FROM EDDIE HATCHER

Native American Political Prisoner in North Carolina


EXCERPT...

One of the main allegations I leveled against officials
was and is, that the large amounts of cocaine, in its almost
purest form, which was dumped into rural Robeson County
beginning predominantly around 1986, was part of the many
shipments of cocaine being moved and guided by Col. Oliver
North, via the ranch of John Hull in Costa Rica with the
funds raised from the cocaine used to finance the Contras.
Secondly, that certain N.C. and federal officials such as
Joe Dean, former N.C. Secretary of Crime and Public Safety;
Governor Jim Martin; and U.S. Attorney General Edwin Meese,
were directly involved in protecting these shipments and
protecting Robeson County officials. Moreover, that the
route of the cocaine, from Homestead Air Force Base to
Robeson County was as well protected to secrecy.

So, it was no surprise when the Associated Press
reported on June 17, 1994 that Celerino "Cele" Castillo, a
former supervisor with the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency in
El Salvador has come forward attesting that Col. Oliver
North "knew large shipments of cocaine were being smuggled
into the United States by mercenary pilots he had hired to
assist Contras in Nicaragua."

Castillo declared that "Oliver North was running the
operation. His pilots were known drug traffickers listed in
government files and these people were being given U.S.
Visas." Castillo also states that he did inform then Vice-
President Bush of North's drug smuggling in the Contra
supply operations.

As has been documented, North was involved in an
illegal operation that sold arms to Iran using the money to
finance the Contras. However, these funds proved minimal and
the funds, according to Castillo, were supplemented with the
money raised in the sale of cocaine. Sales in the streets,
communities and rural counties of the U.S. and N.C.,
originating mainly in Robeson County.

In a recent interview, Castillo stated "When I found
out North was being called a hero, I was thinking how little
the U.S. citizens knew about North being involved in drug
trafficking and money laundering." Castillo further said, "I
risked my life to fight the war on drugs and watched him
turn his head." Castillo repeatedly attempted to bring
North's actions to the open, yet the DEA and other top
federal officials such as Edwin Corr, a U.S. Ambassador to
El Salvador at the time, suppressed Castillo's reports and
told him to "back off."

CONTINUED...

http://www.cwis.org/fwdp/Americas/edhatch2.txt

In answer to your question: Oh yeah. I know about Armitage from a ways back. The guy was a real soldier during Iran-contra. Going by the public record, a complete and total nutjob.

And, much to my embarassment, I've never had the heart to track that one down, Minstrel Boy. "The Politics of Heroin in Southeast Asia" made me ashamed for my country.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 12:00 AM
Response to Reply #15
16. Isn't it tragic what's done to good men and women
who intend to serve their country with open hearts and the best of intentions? So many in the DEA have come up against the Octopus, and paid the price. There are so many stories of decent agents being set up and sent down because they refused to look the other way. What a hard way to discover that the country you've sworn to defend is, in some respect, an illusion.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 10:09 AM
Response to Original message
5. Whatever happened to Vreeland?
Where is he? Haven't heard of him for a long time.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 09:02 AM
Response to Reply #5
21. He had a website for a short time, then
there was this phony death certificate that suddenly appeared on the Internet back in the Summer of 2003 or so as I remember it.

Vreeland said something that has stuck with me. He said back in Spring of 2002 or so that lots of whistleblowers from the intelligence community and elsewhere were going to come out to expose BushCo. He was right about that.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 10:16 AM
Response to Original message
6. Thanks for sharing, Minstrel Boy.
Edited on Sat May-29-04 10:17 AM by bobthedrummer
eom
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 10:22 AM
Response to Original message
7. Live streaming of 911 Inquiry available Sat and Sun (May 29/30)
Just received this alert from www.911Inquiry.org

Newsflash

Saturday May 29, 2004.

Live webstream broadcast!

The International Citizens' Inquiry into 9/11 program Saturday May 29-30 from
Convocation Hall at the University of Toronto is being streamed live to the web
for the following hours:

Saturday May 29 1:00 -10:00 pm
Sunday May 30 9:00 am - 10:00 pm.

Note especially the "Town Hall" with Joe Cote Sunday May 30 beginning at 3:30 pm
to 6:00 pm.

Log on to

www.tvac.ca/911inquiry


Schedule of speakers available at: www.911inquiry.org/Program-Pricing.html
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lockdown Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 10:35 AM
Response to Original message
8. The Balkans in the 90's
Chossudovsky's subject, those continued links with mujahidin in the Balkans, always struck me. didn't know links had been traced up to 1999 though! The way they were used there up to the mid 90's, with ISI organisation, Saudi funding, arms funneled through other Middle East countries, it's a seamless continuation of Afghanistan in the 80's. The story that master and puppets just cut the strings and became enemies after the first Gulf war is ridiculous.

Thanks for the report anyway! Do you know if Delmart Vreeland's attorney or anyone has heard from him? Last I read he had, like, disappeared hadn't he?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #8
9. No update on Vreeland.
Rocco was speaking chiefly on the intimidation of the judiciary. (You know many Gitmo attornies require bodyguards?)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 10:20 PM
Response to Original message
12. Man I wish I could have gone to that.
I don't know whether you are aware, but I am the person who gave Mike Ruppert the Vreeland lead in the first few weeks after 9/11. I was poking around on the Internet and ran across a couple of people on a message board talking about Vreeland.

Chossudovsky has some incredible info on Al Qaeda operations in the Balkans in league with the CIA and Halliburton.

What is he like as a speaker?


That list of speakers is phenomenal.

Great work and thanks for sharing this Minstrel boy. :toast:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 11:24 PM
Response to Reply #12
14. Chossudovsky as a speaker
is amazingly forceful. There's a real urgency to his delivery. As there should be. No one hammers "Al Qaeda is an intelligence asset of the CIA" quite like him.

And no, I didn't know you tipped Ruppert to Vreeland. Good on ya! I got the Vreeland story early on from his other lawyer, Paul Slansky, whom I've known since Grade 6. That was my first dizzying trip down the 9/11 rabbit hole.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 08:53 AM
Response to Reply #14
19. Wow! You know Slansky?
I e-mailed Rocco Galati about Vreeland's associate Marc Bastien who died mysteriously. Later his cause of death was changed to poisoning with clopazine as I remember it.

Galati himself suffered from "food poisoning" too. Did he mention any of this?




Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
freeforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 12:31 AM
Response to Original message
17. Thanks Minstrel Boy!
This conference sounds great. I would really like to see an official investigation that exposes the conspiracy - which is what I believe it is.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 02:07 AM
Response to Original message
18. Kick and Thx n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Brian_Expat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 08:54 AM
Response to Original message
20. Isn't it sad in a way. . .
. . . that an honest citizen's inquiry into 9/11 has to happen in Canada, and not the country where the attack took place?

Tells you a lot about how far America has fallen, doesn't it?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
GeronimoSkull Donating Member (335 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 09:21 AM
Response to Reply #20
22. The Toronto Inquiry is the second in a series
The first took place in San Francisco at the end of March.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri May 03rd 2024, 03:11 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC