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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 12:27 AM
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is the fate of all fascists crushing military defeat?
Undeniable military defeat seems the inevitable fate of all fascists.

I am worried that our fascists in this country are forcing the United States into a similar situation, where the only way they can be stopped is through an extremely destructive military defeat, on our own soil.

Am I wrong? Who am I forgetting?

I suppose Franco locked Spain up for decades, but I can't see the world letting that happen to America. Especially if America continues to start wars.

I can easily see the European countries ganging up on us, blockading us, and perhaps finally attacking in order to stop the US from killing people and invading other countries.

The hatred from the right wing is just growing. The more they appear to be losing, the greater their hatred grows.

That woman punched in the face in SF by some guy who didn't like her art strikes me as a classic symbol of what is happening in this country.

Letters to the editor urging that we nuke cities, one by one, until the terrorist attacks stop (like we're having attacks every day, we're not, but that's another story).

There are people in this country, and there are a lot of them, who want to kill and kill and kill. The more the world resists them, the greater their desire to kill.

I don't see any way to stop them except to kick their asses into the dust.

Unfortunately that means America is due to get its ass kicked, and badly.

How can we stop this from happening?

And am I wrong about the history here?
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Leprechan29 Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 12:34 AM
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1. Youre right on about the history
If the world attacked the US, that would be one heckuva of a war. One thing: I doubt it would ever happen, just because such an invasion would likely trigger the president to use nuclear weapons against the world - actually executing the American part of the M.A.D. theory. This is one idea that I think may have survived the Cold War.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 12:52 AM
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2. Yes it does seem that way doesn't it?
Actually, I would say that it is the fate of all agressor nations facing others on equal footing. Particularly now, what I don't think is that it would be lead to a nuclear war, only because, unless the cheese really slid off the cracker of the president, he would know it would be the death of himself along with everybody else. This "pre-emptive stragedy" of *'s is perhaps the most dangerous thing to occur in the world since Hitler invaded Poland. It is a distaster waiting to happen, and I believe the first step would be an economic blockade of the United States, that could easily cripple our economy, and we would be easy pickings for an alliance of nations that wish the surrender of the nation.
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Mike Niendorff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 03:14 AM
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7. Which explains Bush & Co's obsession with ...

their "Star Wars" anti-missile shield program.


MDN


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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 12:57 AM
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3. The RW won't take no for an answer
It's f*cking unbelievable. They CAN'T lose.

Desperation is an ugly, ugly thing.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 01:10 AM
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4. There is always a what goes up must come down effect of military action...
Edited on Sun May-30-04 01:11 AM by K-W
but no the US is not headed for a military defeat per se. Europe is not going to invade us. The war is on the economic front now, we use the military against undeveloped and marginalized countries, never on other nuclear powers or people protected by nuclear powers. The war will be whether Europe/japan/etc can take down the US as the controller of the global economy, and whether or not US corporations can escape from any governmental controls by globalizing.
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DEMVET-USMC Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 01:13 AM
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5. Historically there are some exceptions,Most notably the Roman Empire
and there was the Viking era, The British Empire and others. I am in no way supportive of what these chickenhawk neocons have been promoting. It seems they got it all wrong and if we ever start threatening the Europeans we will be in for a very rude awakening as to our military might in my opinion. ... Oscar
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blackcat77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 01:51 AM
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6. Their reach always exceeds their grasp.
Eventually...
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 01:43 PM
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8. a Sunday kick
:kick:
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drumwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 01:48 PM
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9. defeat, yes, but not always military
Edited on Sun May-30-04 01:50 PM by drumwolf
I think it is extremely unlikely that America would get its ass kicked in a conventional military sense.

It could, however, be destabilized to the point where it essentially collapses upon itself. That's exactly what happened to the Roman Empire and the Soviet Union. I think that the neocon/Repig-run American empire could very well collapse from its own internal rot just as Rome and the USSR did.
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