Peter Camejo Organizes Green Party Support For Nader

is all I can think to do for now. He was such a help last election.
I can not see him adding value now.

Was this a thread meant for a flame war? lile throwing feces around DU?
Who cares? In case you didn't notice this is a place supporting Kerry. Democratic Underground that is. Buh-bye now.

I'm not sure what it was, but for an instant it felt a lot like FreeRepublic...

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I believe accusing one of being a freeper is a no-no.

Not the best of debate techniques, either...

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And I don't intend to debate you. Nader must be your religion. Logic wouldn't work on you if 3 and 1/2 years of W didn't make a dent.

"And I don't intend to debate you."

Whether you believe it or not, I am not your "enemy," robbedvoter.

they see in black and white only.

Green party members need to 'splain how they can keep hurting the people they claim to want to help.

http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/workers/

John Kerry has a 90 percent AFL-CIO voting record over an 18-year Senate career. He has fought to raise the minimum wage, cosponsored bills to outlaw striker replacement and provide workers with Family and Medical Leave to spend time with a new child or care for a family member. He has helped beat back Republican efforts to gut OSHA, weaken worker safety rules and cut funds from worker training and employment programs. And he has fought for workers’ right to organize in his home state of Massachusetts, including SEIU workers in Boston, and UFCW and CWA workers throughout the state. He’s also supporting UAW organizers seeking to organize in Worcester.

John Kerry believes that the card check and neutrality system is the most fair and equitable way for employees to establish their desire to form a union and for employers to recognize the union and begin negotiations. John Kerry has strongly supported the right to organize for many Massachusetts workers. John Kerry supported SEIU Local 254 in their efforts to organize janitors in the Boston area, UFCW Local 791 in their efforts to organize the Star Market employees in the 43 stores in Massachusetts, UFCW Local 1445 in their efforts to organize the employees of Kayem Foods in Chelsea, and CWA Local 1365 in their efforts to organize the employees of Lucent Technology. Kerry also worked with Polaroid retirees to recover benefits that were lost as a result of the Polaroid bankruptcy filing. John Kerry is supporting UAW workers at the Sainte Gobaine plant in Worcester who have not been able to get their first contract due to the union busting tactics of the company.

Ask Dean and Geppy.

and it does mean something.

I believe progressive people should be given a fair shake and not be the targets of endless lies, distortions, misrepresentations, slanders and outright character assassination, especially from other progressives and liberals! And that includes Green Party candidates and supporters! Is that unreasonable?

I haven't read those kinds of personal mud slinging attacks and slanders directed against John Kerry by Green Party or Ralph Nader supporters on DU. And if any Greens and/or Nader supporters out of frustration are thinking about conducting such slander campaigns they should backoff! Nothing positive can happen when well-intentioned progessive people engage in such attacks against our own.

Peter Camejo has a great deal of respect among most progressive and liberal activists in California be they Green or Democratic Party supporters. People were impressed with his campaigns for governor and how he handled himself in debates, sticking to the issues and presenting his views effectively without lowering himself to personal smears and outright slanders.

Camejo is also the most effective speaker and skilled debator I have ever heard in my life ..... and I've heard many.

And robbedvoter: Cut the freeper b.s. Right-wing baiting and red-baiting won't cut it with true progressives. Such baiting is designed to curtail discussion and debate among liberals and other progressives, not encourage it. If you can't debate and discuss differences of opinion why do you post here? This is a discussion board, not an insult board.

PETER CAMEJO ADDRESSES PROGRESSIVE ELECTION FORUM

being opportunistic in his support of Nader. Not a bad thing in and of itself, it's politics. But I think he's wrong in giving his support to Nader. And shortsighted.

the Bushies

if the Greens really want to beat Bush, they should support Kerry and not that egotistical jackass Nader

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For the record, I think Kerry's work with the Unions is admirable. Especially the work he has done with firefighters.

What I question is the loyalty and/or general influence of unions to a progressive agenda concerning worker's rights. (Take Hoffa, for instance.) If a guy like Gephardt, who is supposedly THE Dem union icon, can't make it passed the first-round of the primary sweepstakes, the union vote has lost it's bite.

and kerry won.

You'd better be careful about what you write. It looks like some people here don't like to be questioned. If you don't want to be red-baited, called a "Naderite", a Green or even a "freeper" you probably shouldn't post your thoughts here. Unless you can handle an avalanche of personal insults and attacks.

As a progressive union man and retired union organizer I can take personal attacks. I had to deal with all kinds of personal attacks from the employers and their right-wing union busting agents for years. I just didn't experience that sort of thing from people who considered themselves progressives.

complaining that we open the umbrellas...

Good one. Mind if I borrow it for future use?

Eh, don't answer that. I'm taking it anyway. It's too good to be polite about it.

to one of the most anti-worker laws ever passed in the state...how progressive can they be? Look up SB 866...but I see, Dems are the problem...right?

And soon someone will claim that Nader and the Greens are racists who especially hate Arabs! It doesn't matter that Ralph Nader is an Arab-American. Nader hates all Arabs and wants the occupation of Iraq to continue. And Peter Camejo really has it in for Spanish people. Never mind the fact that Camejo is Hispanic. Don't ask anyone to prove those claims. Just take their word for it.

Then you are just as astute.

Don't throw roses. Perhaps you should consider responding to the newspaper article if you don't agree with it.

Did you notice something in this thread? So far not a single poster has expressed any disagreement with the content of the newspaper article. Nothing! A big fat ZERO!

I can only conclude that the flamers (or whatever they are called) are incapable of challenging the views and opinions of Green Party leaders quoted in the article. Astonishing!

Well, so much for democratic discussion. Another flame please, unless you have some opinions and thoughts you'd like to present.
And if your views don't agree with the comments of the Green leaders in the article that would be just great!

But please, write something that goes beyond calling Camejo and Nader nasty names.

"The group said it will be mutually beneficial for these candidates to work cooperatively with the Nader candidacy."

I think the Greens for Nader folks are shooting themselves in the foot.


"Nader calls for repealing the Bush tax cuts for the rich and investing the restored revenues in public works that directly create living-wage jobs in infrastructure renewal and public services," said Howie Hawkins, a Teamster and Green congressional candidate in Syracuse, New York."

"Repealing the tax cuts for the rich" is the Democratic stand, in fact, it is the Democratic language for the issue. Kerry supports raising the minimum wage which would have a more immediate effect, imho, than a public works program, to help provide living wages for American workers.

lastly. from the Kerry platform:

End Every Single Tax Credit That Gives Corporations Breaks for Moving Jobs Offshore.

John Kerry will close every single loophole that gives companies incentives to move jobs abroad, including stopping American companies from setting up virtual headquarters in foreign countries just to avoid paying U.S. taxes and stop tax breaks for companies that move jobs abroad.

http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/economy/outsourcing.html

thanks.

and if Camejo had not encouraged those petitions to be signed for the recall to qualify...er...um... you know...but just keep mouthing off about how being a Green means you are just the purest and most progressive of the land...we'll all just disregard the consequences in 2000 and during the California recall...and pretend you really want to help the little guy as he get REAMED UP THE ass one more time by Camejo helping Arnold to get elected and Nader helping Bush.

BTW...Nader is SOOO fucking progressive and in support of a living wage, that he blocked the union from his own business and DIDN'T pay his staff a living wage....that's "academic" progressivism for you...in "theory" he is a God...in reality...he's a lying hypocritical sack of shit!

poorly in the recall fiasco. Well, not poorly - I'm a too well practiced diplomat - it sucked. So many liberal, progressive, moderate political folks here in CA lined up to participate in a "people power" recall which would only have one outcome, a Republican governor...'cause they didn't like Davis, who was not the architect of the energy scam disaster in the first place...and 'cause they could. That's not responsible politics, or even astute politics. That's vanity politics.

When one's so called principles keep resulting in disaster, are they really principles or misguided impulses based on unrealistic fantasies?

but also the Democrats... excuse me, but there seems to be some major cognitive dissonance here. The only way these two opposing goals can come about is if Ralph Nader wins the election, and I've yet to meet a single Green or Nader supporter that sees that as possible.

It seems to me that Camejo (and it's looking like the Green majority) see keeping the Green Party on the ballot as more important than beating Bush.

It will also likely drive any moderating influences out of the ranks. A good old fashioned purge!

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It is amazing how instrumental radical liberals have been and are being in the republican takeover of this country.

And I thought Gore's failure to get easily elected was all the fault of the DLC and other leaders of the Democratic Party. Oh, the Supreme Court had nothing to do with the 2000 election theft either!
And of course Nader was totally responsible for the failure of Al Gore to win even his home state!

What time is it? Howdy Doody Time? No. It's pass the buck time!

Blame the success of the right-wing on Nader, Peter Camejo and while your at it Michael Moore.

If Kerry is unable to easily win this election it's Naders fault!

The fact that Kerry so far has been reluctant to call for the withdrawl of U.S. forces from Iraq, has refused to defend our Constitution from attacks under laws such as the Patriot Act, supports so-called "free trade" laws that have undermined workers here and abroad ..... "little things" like that will have no bearing on this election. It would be Nader's fault if Kerry fails to lead and act like a leader who represents working people and progressives from all classes in this nation.

John Kerry should be able to win this election in a landslide no matter what Ralph Nader does or doesn't do.

But, if Kerry should lose, let's pass the buck and do as DLC leaders are already doing. Blame Nader! Joseph Lieberman has already attacked Nader, perhaps all "progressives" should follow his lead.