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guajira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 06:36 PM
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Anyone know why B* Sr. Pushed Clinton at War memorial??
Clinton looked very angry to me, like he was holding back from belting the old man! Seems like the media practically ignored the incident. Anyone know what happened??


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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 06:38 PM
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1. Because Daddy is a dickweed?
:shrug: Actually, I have only heard anecdotal bits about this - a story, link, image, whatever would be cool.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 06:38 PM
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2. never heard this before...
have a link?
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 06:40 PM
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4. ditto that....
pics, link, details?
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 06:40 PM
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3. They both looked like they were goofing off to me
I think some of us want there to have been some kind of conflict.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 06:42 PM
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5. They were joking around. Nothing hostile.
That's how it appeared to me.
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Ironpost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 07:20 PM
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19. stick head in sand
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 07:38 PM
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25. It didin't look friendly to me.
It looked like they were exchanging words, then Pappy Bush pushed Clinton hard enough to rock him back on his heels, then both turned away quickly. The only guy with a smile is Pappy's guard/handler/keeper.

My guess is that they exchanged a few words and Pappy Bush was his normal self, a totally rude piece of trash.

The fact that this hasn't been explained in the media should tell you it wasn't friendly.
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Alerter_ Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 08:21 PM
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30. it was hazing
Clinton came up to Bush friendly and smiling. Bush Sr. smiles back, they get into conversation. Bush shoves Clinton in a "friendly" way - and obviously Clinton didn't take it as all that "friendly".

The both knew that had to maintain civility and Bush went to the publically allowed limit to be hostile to Clinton.

People saying it was friendly or nothing are just fooling themselves, or just doing damage control. Clinton immediately walked away from Bush afterwards. Remember the rumor that they had originally tried to exclude Clinton from the entire memorial?
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 08:55 PM
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34. I saw that; it did look like horsing
around...........BUT I still find it to be too cheeky on Sr's part in any case.
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 08:59 PM
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36. Poppy's turning 80 years old in a few weeks.
Wonder if he's ever going to grow up?

:D
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Senior citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 06:45 PM
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6. No, I don't know why, but since it is on tape

if I were Big Dog, I'd press charges for assault.



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guajira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 07:01 PM
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13. I Agree - It Looked Extremely UN-presidential
Shows what classless asses the BFEE are. Disgusting behavior!!
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Southsideirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 06:45 PM
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7. I thought it was a very "classist" thing to do - laying hands on some
one is personal and in a such a derogatory way - a sharp push - it was something you might do to a servant who has really annoyed you -"get out of here, you!"
I thought Clinton did seem p.o'd and shrub just scooted out of the way as if he was embarrassed by the old man.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 07:04 PM
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16. Why would this be acceptable to do to a servant?
Not in my book.
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 06:46 PM
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8. I think they were just clowning around.
Bush Sr. and Bill were both smiling broadly when it happened.
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SalParadise Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 06:47 PM
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9. Time to put this to bed.
It was all in jest - anyone who tells you otherwise is over-reacting.
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Ironpost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 07:23 PM
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22. Please, stick head in sand. geeeze
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freetobegay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 06:49 PM
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10. Heres the link for anyone who wants to view the video.
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TOhioLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 10:44 PM
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43. not getting anything w/that link. n/t
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 06:55 PM
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11. Picture here, picture here!
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 06:57 PM
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12. Because he has no class, is pathologically antisocial
and worst of all, was obviously upstaged.
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BabsSong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 07:03 PM
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14. The picture I saw on CNN this morning
looked like they were conspirators who were having a hell of a laugh at the goddamn gullible public. They had their Blues Brothers shades on and were almost lying in each others lap laughing-----a very appropriate scene for da very seweeeous WWII memorial dedication, I thought. Both of them turned my stomach and made me wonder just who crawls into bed with whom in D.C.
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scrotim Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 08:16 PM
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29. I don't like to admit it, but I had the same feeling.
I'd like to think BC would keep his distance from the bushes, just out of a sense of decency.
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 07:03 PM
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15. Anyone that watches that video a few time knows it wasn't in "fun"
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.
.

You can see Bill's head snap back from the shove,




.

and then his hands come up to get Bush 1's hands off of him


THAT AIN'T NO SMILE ON BC'S FACE THERE

also, the camera changes, and some time is lost.

the people in the background are not in the same places they were before the camera angle changes,

I suspect there was a time delay on the first camera, and they went to "live" on the second camera to omit a wee bit of the shoving
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 07:18 PM
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18. C'mon. Clinton said something funny. Chimp does his beavis laugh.
an Poopy does a play shove.
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 07:05 PM
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17. Because if an election were held to day WJ Clinton would kick...
both of their sorry a$$es in a two or three-way race.
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 07:20 PM
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20. My guess is that's about what TBD said.
"They ought to let me run again. I'd whip little Georgie worse'n I whipped you."
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 07:22 PM
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21. i saw it! *Sr pushed Clinton forcefu;lly with both hands on Clintons chest
Clinton was standing on one side of georgie and poppa was on the other ....after the cermony ended Clinton says something to georgie and as georgie walks away poppa put both his hands on Bills chest and shoves him back forcefully...Clinton was laughing but poppa and georgie looked pissed!
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Ironpost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 07:29 PM
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23. Low I Q easily disturbed
Hang in there BIG DOG, Kinda like reminds me of the school house bully, when it was only he and I and I threw his sorry ass against the wall did it stop.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 08:32 PM
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32. I saw it the other way around.
Clinton looks pissed and george 1&2 are laughing
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 07:34 PM
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24. That was pretty weird
It looks like Bill is saying "What the fuck was that about?" While Sr. is turning around and gesturing to the fellow behind him, like "Hey, I told him". And Clinton is saying something to W, while W starts to head for the hills. Then Clinton ends up stand there in the middle sort of confused.

Very weird. I'd like to see the cut part. Anyone around here read lips? Cause at the start it looks like Clinton says something to Sr. that set him off?



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bacchant Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 07:46 PM
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26. Weird
That was either a completely inappropriate and aggressive shove or two members of the good-ol'-boys-network clowning around...

... I don't know which disturbs me more.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 07:48 PM
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27. Both Puke and DimSon have this VERY annoying habit ...
... of pawing other people. All I know is that if Smirk ever put his paws on me like he does Greenspan, Blair, and numerous others (who show very evident discomfort), I'd break his fucking arm! The condescending arrogance is detestable.
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bhunt70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 07:58 PM
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28. the immediate response seems to be bill saying another few words amiably
before turning away.
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erpowers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 08:28 PM
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31. I Thought it was All in Fun
When I first saw it it seemed like Clinton was joking with Bush and Bush just playfully pushed Clinton. After the push Clinton seemed to be laughing.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 08:50 PM
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33. I Don't Think It Looks Like a Big Deal
But it is surprising to see Poppy get so close into Bill's "personal space."

Maybe he finds the Big Dog attractive.
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 09:03 PM
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37. He's 80 years old. He's too old to do that anymore. Not Presidential
and no dignitude.

There wasn't supposed to be any joking at all; it was a very somber occasion. They were DEDICATING A WAR MEMORIAL.

If His Imperial Mr. Presidentness G. H. W. Bush XLI was being playful, it was wildly inappropriate.

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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 08:59 PM
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35. Doesn't look like clowning around to me.
I watched the clip repeatedly. BC looks pissed. Poppy looks like he turns to try to get in the last word. Smirk just looks lost.

Bake
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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 09:19 PM
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38. Nah...they were joking around
Nothing more.

Don't make too much out of this.

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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 09:20 PM
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39. I watched the clip just now.. It was all in fun.
I, as much as anyone here, am always ready to stick up for the Big Dog, etc. But.. I watched the clip several times, and watched the secondary players in the drama.. and it was actually a comedy. Poppy was laughing after he did it, as was GW and Clinton as they walked away. And.. the person that was next to Poppy, was also laughing. Also, the guys behind them were laughing. It was all in fun.

Wierd but true. But hey, these guys don't hate each other. They're members of an elite group of living Presidents. GW doesn't deserve to even carry the shoes of the other guys in that exclusive club... but they don't hate each other.

I think sometimes we all walk around thinking that the Bush family is the epitome of evil, that they run children over in the street, and goose widows (the kind of shit the Freepers used to, and still accuse Clinton of). The Bush family is greedy, secretive, ruthless, you name it.. but they are also human. Yes, it's true. I have 3 years here on DU, and 4000 posts under my belt here, so don't think I've gone freeper on you. But sometimes we're just as guilty as FR in thinking in terms of black and white, good and evil, on things. No one is all evil (even Hitler had a dog), and no one is all good. It serves us no purpose to jump on things like this with such righteous indignation. It's really obvious what the clip is all about.

It was a playful moment amongst Presidents. Poppy sure looks frail now.. I wouldn't have recognized him if I didn't know he was in there.
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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 10:03 PM
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40. That's how I saw it as well
However, I wonder how all those guys with CMHs behind them felt to see 2 former presidents yucking it up at their ceremony. You don't get the CMH for nothin'
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MO_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 10:36 PM
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41. I think it was ole
Poopy Boosh trying to show Big Dog how he got into the bras of the interns in his days in the OO.
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Matilda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 10:40 PM
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42. Oh, well, at least Poppy didn't throw up on Clinton.
n/t
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