Could we hate Reagan for the same reason they hate Clinton?

MikeG

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Sat Jun-05-04 10:04 AM
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Could we hate Reagan for the same reason they hate Clinton?

He won. Twice. Be honest.

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physioex

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Sat Jun-05-04 10:06 AM
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1. No..

It was his economic and humanitarian disasters. Don't forget Iran Contra!!! Other than that Bonzo was adorable... :)

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Vickers

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Sat Jun-05-04 10:07 AM
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2. I don't hate Reagan. I just think he is stupid.

Big, BIG difference.

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leftyandproud

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Sat Jun-05-04 11:14 AM
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37. stupid enough to defeat the left on virtually EVERY ISSUE...

Edited on Sat Jun-05-04 11:23 AM by leftyandproud

what does that say about us?

he literally did the complete opposite of what the left wanted him to do...on everything...the entire damn time...whether it was domestic or foreign policy...he did the reverse of what the left around the world wanted...He articulated his message loudly and clearly...he openly mocked and challenged the soviet union at every turn...Americans overwhelmingly supported what he was saying, and he won a landslide election because of it...scaring the living SHIT out of every liberal in America...This is why he is hated...because he was EFFECTIVE.

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nostamj

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Sat Jun-05-04 10:08 AM
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3. no

Clinton wouldn't have ignored AIDS the way Reagan did.

among many many other things

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AntiCoup2K4

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Sat Jun-05-04 10:09 AM
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4. What did Reagan's penis do?

On second thought, don't answer that question..... :puke:

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physioex

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Sat Jun-05-04 10:23 AM
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15. There isn't enough Viagra in this entire planet....EOM

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MikeG

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Sat Jun-05-04 10:32 AM
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21. There is a rumor he raped a woman.

Selena Walters. An actress.

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ayeshahaqqiqa

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Sat Jun-05-04 10:58 AM
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32. I'd read he paid for an abortion

for a woman he was dating between his marriages.

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PROGRESSIVE1

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Sat Jun-05-04 10:10 AM
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5. No, I don't dispise him personally, it's political!

-He bankrupted the country.
-He stole from the poor and gave to the rich.
-His "death squads" in Central America were horrific, murdering women and children (real "family values").
-The S & L Scandal was due to his de-regulation of the banks.
-He fired the Air Traffic Controllers.

Ronald Reagan's policies destroyed America!

:argh:

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vetwife

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Sat Jun-05-04 10:11 AM
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9. There won't be G-8 summit coverage if he dies this weekend !

It will be Wall to wall Bonzo and Reagan ! No protest over G-8...Bank on it ! How convenient for W

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Eric J in MN

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Sat Jun-05-04 10:15 AM
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13. There was barely any coverage of the Miami FTAA, so

There was barely any coverage of the Miami FTAA, so it's not like the media has a lot of coverage of protests ordinarily.

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spotbird

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Sat Jun-05-04 10:44 AM
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28. With Reagan it is all political to me.

With Bush it is personal.

Reagan was very misguided, but he wasn't evil. Bush is contemptuous of the powerless.

Sam Donaldson said of Reagan he would take his shirt off and give it to a shirtless homeless man then walk into the Oval Office to sign legislation to cut health care for the poor and not see any inconsistency in the two acts.

Bush would tell the shirtless man to go buy a shit, then laugh at him for not having one. Bush would then cut his health care because the poor don't dress well enough to avoid getting sick. Bush really hates those with less.

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Eric J in MN

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Sat Jun-05-04 10:10 AM
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6. I don't hate Reagan.

I don't hate Reagan.

I think his Presidency was terrible, and I dislike him, but I don't hate him.

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robbedvoter

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Sat Jun-05-04 10:10 AM
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7. I don't hate Raygun. But his "accomplishments" are highly dubious.

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molly

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Sat Jun-05-04 10:10 AM
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8. Reagan had alzheimers while in the WH

I remember watching him on TV and being so embarrassed for this country, I turned off the TV. I have not been THAT embarrassed until * took office.

Reagan tried to "act" his way thru the presidency. He was an actor and that is what he did. He portrayed a president.

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Angelus

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Sat Jun-05-04 10:13 AM
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10. Why should we care for him?

He hasn't done a damn thing for us. He didn't care about us. Why should I care about him?

To be honest...I can care less if the old man croaks. It'll do this country a favor. You may think I'm an asshole for saying this, that's fine. It's just my opinion.

He can burn in hell for all I care.

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Bandit

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Sat Jun-05-04 10:13 AM
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11. No and that isn't why they hate Clinton either.

Clinton was considered a hillbilly and not deserving of the Presidency because of his Position in life. It is a hatred driven by the talk shows and the right-wing publications. Most people don't have a real clue why they hate so much. It was a planned conspiracy to bring down a prominant Democrat or at least sully him up so bad he/they could be defeated easily. It worked to perfection. Look for it to repeat itself.

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SayitAintSo

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Sat Jun-05-04 10:26 AM
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17. Racism was related to Clinton hate mongering as well

Actually, it figurend prominently in the Clinton hate mongering.

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playahata1

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Sat Jun-05-04 10:13 AM
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12. BIG difference.

I have reason to hate Reagan: An educated, African American woman from a working-class background does not fit into his vision of what being an American should be.

I have no reason to hate Clinton: He had the decency to include educated, African American women from working-class backgrounds in his vision of what being an American should be.

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PROGRESSIVE1

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Sat Jun-05-04 10:19 AM
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14. True, Nixon, Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II all hold the belief.....

that a "strong" America CAN only include white, socially conservative, Christian folk.

Bill Clinton was a Liberal in the sense that he included everyone!

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MikeG

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Sat Jun-05-04 10:35 AM
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26. I don't like how his party minimizes Brown v. Board of Education.

And calls the justices who decided it activist judges.

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playahata1

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Sat Jun-05-04 11:14 AM
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36. And what are Scalia, Thomas, Rehnquist

and the others who INSTALLED the Shrub? ACTIVIST JUDGES!!!!

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lastknowngood

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Sat Jun-05-04 10:26 AM
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16. I hate Raygun because he was a Nazi bastard who helped

destroy this country with his lies. Balanced budget, family values, false patriotism , ignorance, murder in South America and destruction of the democratic systems of government. I hope the bastard feels a great deal of pain and dies slow.

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troublemaker

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Sat Jun-05-04 10:29 AM
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19. grow up!

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troublemaker

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Sat Jun-05-04 10:28 AM
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18. No. Honestly.

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MikeG

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Sat Jun-05-04 10:30 AM
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20. OK Just asking.

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leftofthedial

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Sat Jun-05-04 10:32 AM
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22. no

he symbolizes--and lent his name to--the evil unleashed on the world by the neocons and the bushgang.

He's an evil, twisted little piece of shit who can't suffer enough.

his administration is directly responsible for tens of thousands of deaths in Latin America, the overthrow of democratically elected governments and the rise of the lawless terror state that America has become.

Don't even get me started on his domestic policies.

The shitstain isn't getting near what he deserves.

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Killarney

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Sat Jun-05-04 10:34 AM
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23. No, I don't think we hate Reagan.

And we certainly don't blame him for everything on earth like they do with Clinton.

Personally, I don't hate Reagan. I can say that I hate GWB, but not Reagan. Yes, I disagree with much of what he did, but I don't hate him.

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lancdem

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Sat Jun-05-04 11:12 AM
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35. I don't hate Reagan

I disagreed with his policies. I despise Chimpy, though.

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jpgray

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Sat Jun-05-04 10:34 AM
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24. Do you think the victims of his policy would hate him for the same reason?

Edited on Sat Jun-05-04 10:40 AM by jpgray

If they were still alive, of course? Give me break. Reagan objectively caused suffering on the grandest of scales. The differences between the two men/administrations are right in front of you, if you care to look.

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Selwynn

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Sat Jun-05-04 10:35 AM
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25. If you know anything about his politics, the answer is no.

Edited on Sat Jun-05-04 11:02 AM by Selwynn

First of all I don't hate regan. I do however hate what the Regan Administration did in the 80s. It crushed labor, crushed the poor, ran up ubelievable debt on wasted programs and so on.

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TN al

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Sat Jun-05-04 10:38 AM
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27. I think my post would only echo yours...

...but let me add that I think I can hate Reagen because he left us Poppy who in turn left us junior.

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ScreamingMeemie

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Sat Jun-05-04 10:47 AM
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29. I could never actually "hate" a president. They are but one cog in

a machine. Individually, the commander in chief cannot get much done on his own. This we know. One cannot place the blame on one person.

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Eric J in MN

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Sat Jun-05-04 11:23 AM
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38. You can blame a person if there are others who are also

You can blame a person if there are others who are also to blame.

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Jade Fox

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Sat Jun-05-04 10:52 AM
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30. Reagan was elected by a small percentage of the eligble voters....

I've forgotten the exact statistics, but voter turn-out was very low
for his second election. I know that's not his fault, but it contradicts
the idea that he was universally popular.

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ayeshahaqqiqa

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Sat Jun-05-04 10:57 AM
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31. Reagan vs Clinton

I don't hate either man, but I think there are some comparisons that need to be made:

Reagan got into office via Iran/Contra, which was never completely examined, imho-the buck stopped with low levels instead of going where it should have gone.

Clinton got into office fair and square, through an honest election.

The same forces that shielded Reagan from Iran/Contra hounded Clinton and spent millions of dollars to try and bring him down-and all they could find was a sexual dalliance.

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Fleshdancer

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Sat Jun-05-04 11:02 AM
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33. I have no desire to hate the way they do towards anyone for any reason

Reagan's presidency is in the past. We can learn from the events of that time, and we can certainly disagree with what he did but what purpose is there to hate the man? Spending that kind of emotional energy is pointless and if the republicans want to waste their time with hate then fine, but I don't plan on joining them anytime soon.

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DBoon

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Sat Jun-05-04 11:05 AM
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34. No

Clinton was, in his politics a very conservative Democrat.

He was very skillful at co-opting Republican positions.

Reagan was an ideologue who tried (and largely suceeded) in remaking the USA.

Clinton was in the truest sense a conservative, Reagan ironically was a Leninist.

Reagan was a lot to answer for regards what this country has become.

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mot78

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Sat Jun-05-04 11:39 AM
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39. I don't hate Reagan, but I strongly disagreed with his policies

PATCO, S&L, Iran Contra among others show how conservatism can screw over this country. But whether or not fellow DUers admit it, Reagan was a genius in several ways. He was good public speaker, and he outsmarted us on many occasions. * however, is purely stupid, and relies on Rove for every event. * is far more immoral a President than Reagan was (at least Reagan connected well with people who despised his policies, like union member Reagan Democrats).

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tabasco

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Sat Jun-05-04 11:45 AM
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40. Anybody that says "let them eat ketchup" ...

gets no sympathy from this old soldier.

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cosmicdot

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Sat Jun-05-04 11:53 AM
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41. he could have been a good Pres. if he hadn't collaborated with evildoers

and, had done things which actually helped the lots of all citizens ... people over profits ... advanced social justice ... performed with integrity not deceit ... etc.

but, he didn't

I probably wouldn't have been accepted into Social Security Disability program had Clinton not been President at the time.

projecting blanket 'hate' onto the whole discussion is quite a large label ...

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JI7

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Sat Jun-05-04 11:56 AM
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42. i don't hate Reagan

for some reason i don't feel hatred towards him as i do with Bush. maybe it's because i was 2 years old when reagan became president so i wasn't aware of things he was doing while president. but i always give reagan and the first bush credit for actually being elected by the people unlike bush who stole the white house. in fact it's on eof the reasons i hate bush II so much. he doesn't deserve to be where he is yet he acts as if it's owed to him.

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