Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

C-Span NOW! Horrible conditions of US troops in Iraq: Families Speak!

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU
 
KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 08:47 PM
Original message
C-Span NOW! Horrible conditions of US troops in Iraq: Families Speak!
If you want to know what our troops are faced with turn it on NOW! 9:50 p.m.

Lovely articulate mother is talking about 5 troops in a 12x14 foot room. 2 liters of water in over 100 degree heat......terrible conditions.....and wonderful parents trashing Mr. "towel in the flight suit Bush" and Rummy who have sent their kids into these horrible conditions.

Bush has betrayed our children.....a mother speaks...... Tune it in......you won't be sorry!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 08:53 PM
Response to Original message
1. Veteran of Gulf War I (poppy's war) trashing Bush and mentioning
the faulty info this war was based on.......and about the illnesses of Gulf War I folks...and saying we shouldn't be there this long.......mentioned all the info we know about Bush and our Imperialists aspirations! These folks are angry and they know what we know.......

These are veterans........and they have children there!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 08:56 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. A Latino is speaking now.....and there is a translator.....he's saying:
How many more of our son's do you need, President Bush? How many more Hispanic or non-Hispanic people are crying for their children! Enough of this! he says!

My son will not return......but I want those other children to return. His son must have died.......
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 08:57 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. yes....
his son was one of the first killed.

This is heartbreaking to watch.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 09:02 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. I watched it this morning. I'm still shaking.
Those sad families.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 09:04 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. me too...I cried this morning when I saw it
Edited on Wed Aug-13-03 09:07 PM by Mari333
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 09:03 PM
Response to Reply #2
5. Stan Goff up now....tears and crying in the background from parents.....
He served in eight military theaters. His son Jesse just got deployed to Iraq.......

His son is in Baghdad......

Says rule of "Bombs and Bullets" Sending our children to kill other peoples children.......facing 120 degree heat, post traumatic stress disorder.....etc. ........not to protect the Constitution but to protect Halliburton and Bechtel.

He says "they" thought they were leading the allies into Paris in 1940's but this is a situation where bombs are exploding and danger is all around them. He says Rumsfeld and Bush don't care about this.....and he want's his son home to see his 8 month old son.

Says it's all based on lies.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
diplomats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 09:06 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. Just checked
this is one of the lead stories on yahoo.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 09:19 PM
Response to Reply #7
11. got a link? n/t
:)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 09:22 PM
Response to Reply #11
14. Rain Dog...it's C-Span I it might be replayed if you go onto C-Span Web
Site.....I can't get it for you....I'm watching and typing! ......deep breaths and fast fingers.

I think it might replay.....check the Google for C-Span......
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
diplomats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 09:31 PM
Response to Reply #11
21. Yep
www.yahoo.com
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 09:44 PM
Response to Reply #21
27. yepster
Edited on Wed Aug-13-03 09:45 PM by RainDog
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 09:07 PM
Response to Reply #5
8. All of these folks know all the lies of Bush and are really angry......
Edited on Wed Aug-13-03 09:09 PM by KoKo01
They know what we know.....but their kids are over there......and suffering.....

Robert Byrd and so many of us here tried to stop this....it's heartbreaking to watch......We knew...and know one would listen. And, I don't have kids who could be there and many of the others of us don't either......but we knew it was wrong.......and if my daughter was there or couldn't be there....it was still our duty to speak out even if we were trashed by the "tattered flag on the SUV" crowd, or the pundits on the Talk Shows."

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 09:08 PM
Response to Reply #8
9. YES goddammit we KNEW all along!!!!
we marched we KNEW it was a lie...why the hell did it take so long for anyone to wake up???????????????????????????? MY god how many more dead children will it take??????????????????
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 09:14 PM
Response to Original message
10. ENRONOMICS = TRIFECTA
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 09:21 PM
Response to Original message
12. Susan Schuman (Mother) says son says US New NOT reporting wht's Going On
on the ground in Iraq! She says what he is telling her is very different. Another father says it's all being concealed what's going on.....casualties and he says this administration isn't talking about "how many have been wounded in this war!" Another says...as a parent he has to guess....because there isn't information that's being reported by this administration.

Stan Goff talking to press......says he's never seen an accurate reporting of any operation that the US has done in any intervention ......He was in El Salvador, Haiti,,,many places and that the reporting doesn't show what ever goes on what happens. He says we don't see pictures of wounded and dead bodies. He syas if we published pictures of what goes on we would be in war......it's sanitized. He says all we see is "entertainment."

The Hispanic Father is talking now.......says son was shot in back of his head.........but, in reality his son stepped on a US Cluster Bomb........so the report was wrong. He said his son didn't get medical attention for 2 hours. He says this is "unacceptable for the best Army in the World!"

Another Father is saying: "his son contacted him from Baghdad Airport and said Bush had said they were coming home, but he noticed a Burger King opened in the Baghdad airport. This father says that the Burger King opening to feed the troops sounds like their sons will will be coming home because (I guess enterprise is coming to Iraq) but the Burger King is to feed the troops.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 09:32 PM
Response to Reply #12
23. Fernando Suarez Del Solar is the name of the

Hispanic father.

I don't think that I could keep that kind of composure if I was up there talking about my kid being killed and the * admin and the POS press were lying about it.

Hey freeps! Has President Shithead huged the mothers and families of ANY of the dead servicemen and women yet? NO? Why not?



God I hate this monster in the White House!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 10:04 PM
Response to Reply #23
30. the quote, for Bush to choke on
"I understand the terrible price of war. I understand what it means to put somebody into combat. I know what it means to hug mothers and wives."

http://usembassy.state.gov/islamabad/wwwh03013002.html

I wish I was a Christian, it would be very comforting right now to know that someday these devils will burn in Hell

:grr:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 09:22 PM
Response to Original message
13. Goff was very effective!
He said embedded journalists were the greatest propaganda tool the army has every used.

The families laid out the truth...Bush and his crew lied to go into Iraq...there was no connection to Al Qaeda...

Father calls it "the folly of this war."

Notes support for these families across the political spectrum.

Throughout this war we've seen orchestrated media events to create support for this war...media being used...Bush's tailhook bullshit (my words, not his)...Bring 'em home...

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 09:23 PM
Response to Original message
15. even BBC is covering it
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 09:46 PM
Response to Reply #15
28. Thanks Mari, I hit the link....there's even more info there about Reserves
and all of it. My 47 year old dentist has been called twice this Summer (he's in the Reserves) to train troops here because all the other officers are overseas. He worries he will be called and have to give up his dental practice.

47 Years Old!!! What the Hell is this??

BBC Link is a good read for more detail than I could type....if anyone is interested who couldn't watch the C-Span replay and missed it this a.m.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 09:25 PM
Response to Original message
16. Father talking about "Military Culture" says it's tight...can't speak out
against commanders and says that CentCom is angry if soldiers speak out .......for someone who is career military who is speaking out and getting trashed means that there is bad stuff going on in Iraq for CentCom to crack down on soldiers. He says thaey had to Replace the "3rd Infantry Division" because they were Mentally Exhausted!!! (OMG...that's big news)

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 09:30 PM
Response to Reply #16
20. 3rd ID depleted...physically, mentally, psychologically
followed now by a b.s. pentagon briefing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 09:27 PM
Response to Original message
17. Father says he lives in Richmond, Va! Stands with Honk for Peace Sign!
He says that he stood on corner......with his sign but when Bush declared "War Over" then the honks were few and far between. He says he's still standing but recently the "Honks for Peace" are picking up as people begin to realize that the War is NOT OVER!

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 10:06 PM
Response to Reply #17
31. sweet!
:hi: if he's reading!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 09:28 PM
Response to Original message
18. People support the troops, but not the war
Parent says honks in support of protests increasing in VA.

Bring Them Home Now is the name of a campaign.

Military Families Speak Out is their group.

Also Veterans Against the War.

They will be in Crawford TX and invite others to join them...the 23rd...aug or sept?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 09:30 PM
Response to Original message
19. August 23rd, they will be in Crawford, Texas!!! Picketing Bush with their
signs "Bring the Troops Home." Good News!

(Geeze, they won't get near Bush's Pig Farm but maybe the Press will cover it since this even was given at the National Press Club)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 09:31 PM
Response to Reply #19
22. And they invite other Americans to join them.
that is a protest I wish I could attend. Everyone who can, please support the troops and their families via emails, too.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 09:33 PM
Response to Reply #19
24. this would be an EXCELLENT PLACE for all to converge...
it would be hard for the media to hide this one :evilgrin:


more...
http://bbs.globalfreepress.com/coppermine

peace
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 09:37 PM
Response to Reply #24
26. can you guys link to an announcement of the protest
at GFP?

What about moveon?

My boss is going to be out of town on that date and so I'm stuck. But I soooo want to go there.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 09:35 PM
Response to Original message
25. link to Military Families Speak Out
http://www.mfso.org/

..an email link is on the opening page
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-13-03 09:53 PM
Response to Reply #25
29. you're quick Rain Dog! I was just going to check my "History" to get it
for you....and you already posted the link! LOL's Glad you found it...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 06:55 AM
Response to Reply #29
32. dupe
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sun May 05th 2024, 02:22 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC