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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 04:15 PM
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Lynndie England wants 100 witnesses from Cheney on down testify.
Edited on Sun Jun-13-04 04:29 PM by LittleApple81
Soldier's defense team wants 100 witnesses from Cheney on down for Abu Graib case
Sunday, June 13, 2004
By Cindi Lash and Michael A. Fuoco, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Defense attorneys preparing for Pfc. Lynndie England's upcoming hearing on charges she abused detainees at Abu Ghraib prison have compiled a list of 100 potential witnesses stretching from the halls of power in Washington, D.C., to the sand-swept vistas of Iraq.

By putting top government officials like Vice President Dick Cheney on their witness list, England's attorneys are serving notice that in defending their client, they will attempt to put on trial the Bush administration's policies on intelligence gathering from detainees. Like most other military police reservists charged in the abuse scandal, England has claimed military intelligence officers ordered the MPs to "soften up" the detainees prior to interrogations.

However, just because her attorneys want those witnesses doesn't mean that many of them will be on the stand later this month at England's Article 32 hearing in Fort Bragg, N.C. That's because a military investigating officer, the presiding authority at the Article 32 hearing, will decide which witnesses are most relevant.

more at link (list of names, etc. etc. )
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04165/331166.stm


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stavka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 04:23 PM
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1. That little sylvan ferret! Thumbs Up!
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Cannikin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 07:24 PM
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19. Jon Stewart: "She just likes pointing at genitals."
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Catfight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 07:59 PM
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21. The link isn't specific enough. Do you have the link that will open the
daily show one for this?
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MikeG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 04:24 PM
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2. She just wants to point at their thingies.
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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 04:28 PM
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3. lol their thingies? lol :) nt
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greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 04:30 PM
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4. hummmmmm
hopefully more exposure to the misadministration will come to light
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 05:09 PM
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7. Yup, "exposure" was definitely what this was about...
Oh, icky.....my mind just conjured up cheney, bushwa, rove, etal nekkid with a dog collar on.....

The dog collar is fine, but.......them? nekkid? icky.......

Kanary
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 05:28 PM
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12. An ass pyramid of them guys?
Yuck!
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 05:43 PM
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15. Now you've gone and done it!
Gonna hafta have my brain washed.........

:)

Oh wait....... that's what the gov and media is already trying to do....

:crazy:

Kanary
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MikeG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 07:09 PM
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17. Fat guys on the bottom.
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left is right Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 05:29 PM
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13. You poor, poor thing
It may be just an old wives tell, but I have heard that such mental images causes a person to run screaming into the night
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 10:25 PM
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23. I'm back now...
back from being out running, screaming in the night.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 04:32 PM
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5. someone's got a good defense lawyer...interesting.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 05:19 PM
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9. She's not the only one. Megan Ambuhl is using
Harvey Volzer of D.C.

http://www.svg-law.com/SVG%20Attorneys.htm

We don't hear much about Megan Ambuhl. Her family refuses to talk and details on her are sketchy. The only picture floating about is her high school graduation picture. It's easy enough to find through google where she attended college. Megan Ambuhl is 29.

Volzer is the one who turned Sivits' statements over to the media.
http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=46947

Originally charged with 4 counts, Ambuhl's article 32 hearing was held ... then reduced down to 2 counts (conspiracy and dereliction of duty)

Ambuhl was present during the "leash" episode but claims she only watched. She doesn't appear in any of the pictures (except her boots in one) that have been shown...and her lawyer claims she isn't in any of the pictures left to be shown.

Ambuhl maintains she is innocent- and only guilty by "guilt of association" - she worked the "nightshift"...and she saw what happened but did not participate.

Course, she also didn't inform JAG, CID, or IG about the torture ...which she was obligated to do. Her chain of command should have also been informed...but since we know her chain of command is suspect...she had other avenues.

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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 05:05 PM
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6. hope that low-life drags a few superiors down with her, but let's face it,
in spite all of her claims about being ordered to commit her depraved acts, she certainly seemed like she was have a dam good time being a war criminal.
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happynewyear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 05:12 PM
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8. naw she wants to slap em with those green gloves
Edited on Sun Jun-13-04 05:13 PM by baldearg
and then its the :thumbsup: !!!

:kick:
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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 05:20 PM
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10. You KNOW this will not happen.
That is kinda like me wishing it would rain gold and everyone in the world would have perfect health and total dental coverage--just NOT gonna happen.

The military "investigating" officer will have his marching orders from higher up, and that list will stop being "relevant" right about the point that it gets beyond her immediate superiors.

I applaud her lawyers for having a brass set, but I doubt even they expected it to go too much further than being a news report.

But, it IS such a nice fantasy--eh?


Laura
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 05:21 PM
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11. You're correct. The list has to be approved and it won't be...
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 05:42 PM
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14. Sadly, you're right. If Bush/Cheney fought to avoid the 9/11 Commission..
.. I have no doubt they'd NEVER testify or get close to this. I hope these soldiers don't suddenly grow dispondent.. you know..
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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 05:56 PM
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16. This circles back
This is the content of Gores speech, and everything that keeps dripping.
The defense of these soldiers could be a massive thorn in the side of the adminstration at the very least. It's a constant repetition that they can't escape. Many sources are pointing in their direction to actually hold them responsible. It's not just Democrats now. It's a bunch of different people without a political agenda.
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Blue Wally Donating Member (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 07:18 PM
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18. Lawyers don't have anything special
This is pretty much standard procedure in a military case like this, the lawyer tries to stir shit by demanding everyone in the chain of command as a witness in hopes that the court martial convening authority will back off and he can get his client off completely or just a plea bargain to a reduced charge.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 07:43 PM
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20. She should have them.
There was a concerted effort on the part of the Bush administration to de-criminalize the use of torture for interrogating those they deemed to be "terrorists" - from Afghanistan to Guantanimo to Iraq. Pfc. England and her compatriot guards should not be the only people to bare the responsability for these crimes.
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-13-04 09:42 PM
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22. They always seem to give the idiot a free pass,don't they?
I scratch my head in bewilderment....how is it that bu$h always dodges the bullet? Khrist... :grr:
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