The RWN's are way off base on why we hate Bush, lets help them

to the truth of it.

Just look at the stupid remarks on this thread at FR.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1156416/posts

"The truth is liberals hate themselves. That is why they blame everybody but themselves. Whatever the problem is in the country or world, the left's short-sightedness has what got us there in the first place, IMO. They cannot take an honest look in the mirror and identify the problem."

"I am of the opinion that their hatred is directly related to one issue: Religion."

"They are enraged by GW and reflexively oppose him at every turn because his strength and conviction is a standing rebuke to their spinelessness and degeneracy. His morality is a silent but stern judgment upon them. Make no mistake, they hate him because by his very existence in the White House they feel judged and found wanting. (Parenthetically, this is the same reason liberals, even liberal preachers, hate Christianity. It has a value system and a concept of right and wrong.)"

"THEY ARE IN REBELLION AGAINST GOD. THEY WANT TO DO THEIR OWN THING THEIR OWN WAY IN THEIR OWN TIMING AND TO BLAZES WITH THE DETAILS. Anyone--anyone including GOD ALMIGHTY who so much as bats an eyelash at THEIR OWN SELFISH, STUBBORN, PLEASURE ADDICTED SELF-WILL, arrogance, INDEPENDENCE etc. is seen as too troublesome 'evil' for them to bother with."

and on and on and on and on and on......

Well I'm alittle tired of all this crap from them. I don't hate chimpy because he is (claims to be) religious. I have alot of real things to hate him for and I know alot of you do also.

So for the sake of clarity, lets put into black and white why we hate GWB. Maybe when the creeps at FR actual read the REAL reasons they'll quit mouthing such garbage (no, i don't actually believe that).

For me its easy to start it off.

1. For me it started when he attempted and was successful at stopping any sort of recount in 2000. I just couldn't believe it when they filed for a stop to the recount.

2. Trashing the FOIA in the first few weeks of his admin by casting a safe around releasing his or anybody else's presidential papers by EO. Of course this happened just as his dads papers were due to be released. Looks like a cover up to me...

3. Tax cuts that went primarily to the richest people in this country who really didn't need it.

4. Not pushing and passing unemployment extensions back when a ton of us were out of work and jobs were non existing. And the kicker was that they passed 6 extensions when dad was dealing with the same crisis.

5. Changing how they tabulated UE numbers 3 times so that they don't look as bad as they do (were)

I could go on and on but then you all wouldn't get a chance:)

Lets lay it out for the RWN/talibornagains and quit letting them define our contempt for all things Bush.

they're completely incapable of "getting it". The biggest accomplishment the GOP has achieved is their ability to get idiot voters to vote against their own self-interests - and indeed, the interests of their country

no one is listening.

of right and wrong too.

Just goes to show how ignorant those FR posters are.

Would Jesus love a liberal? You bet!
http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/liberalchristians.htm

How can one call himself a Christian if he doesn't practice the teachings of Christ? As I recall, they include taking care of your own faults before calling down another for his shortcomings, not judging, and loving your neighbor as yourself.

My greetings to you, my Christian brother!

It's sister in this case.

And you are so right. The freepers tend to overlook those teachings in the Bible and prefer, instead, to cling to anything that they can use to justify hating someone who is different from themselves.

:hi:

The Bible talks about them, you know. They're called "hypocrites". Jesus went on and on about the Jews who belonged to pius religious sects who made a great show of prayer and following ritual but who wouldn't stop to help their fellow beings.

Blah! They drive me nuts, those legalistic types.

is that they aren't interested in having a reasoned discussion about anything. Their idea is that they are right, and everyone else is wrong. They can't even see that one can be religious and be liberal (in my mind if one reads religious texts and practices what is said in them, one can't help but be a liberal). They can't see that one can have varying shades of opinions on certain issues-certainly not all the liberals who come here are in favor of tight gun control, for example.

It is far easier to be overly simplistic about issues than to take an in-depth view of things. By my observation, many freepers tend to be intellectually lazy.

Liberals don't *hate* religion, they simply don't think it belongs in the realms of political discussion or policy making.

Speaking for myself, I find religion to be purely personal and I don't pretend that my beliefs are the same as everyone elses and I am not going to waste my time trying to get others "to think like I do" where religion is concerned. I will do that with politics, but not religion. To the extent that someone believes in God is their own business and not mine. To the extent that someone believes in this administration, now that is a different story. Simply put, if my neighbor doesn't believe in God, that doesn't have an effect on me. If my neighbor believes in Bush and is planning on voting for Bush, well that not only effects me, it effects my kids future so it is my business.

It is the art of keeping religion personal and politics public, not a hatred for religion.

The Founding Fathers were wise in wanting religious freedom and a seperation of church and state. They had seen what a fusion of religion and politics could do-the 100 years and 30 years wars in Europe spring to mind.

Love your analogy of your neighbor. I'd like to use it when I talk to others about this topic, if that's ok.

Feel free!

One more point that I feel it is necessary to point out is that John Kerry represents his constituents, not the Catholic Church. He is a politician, not a Bishop.

My religious (Sufi) order will not take any political position. We are allowed, as individuals, to speak our minds, but we never speak in the name of our order when it comes to political matters. Seems to me to be the best way to go about things.

And didn't Jesus say something about rendering to Caesar what is Caesar and to God what is God's? Seems to me that's talking seperation of church and state!

or rather their insistence in forcing their religion down my throat- and by legislating their beliefs into law.

Abortion Rights.
Gay Marriage.
Access to Adult Entertainment.
"faith Based Initiatives"

"THEY ARE IN REBELLION AGAINST GOD. THEY WANT TO DO THEIR OWN THING THEIR OWN WAY IN THEIR OWN TIMING AND TO BLAZES WITH THE DETAILS. Anyone--anyone including GOD ALMIGHTY who so much as bats an eyelash at THEIR OWN SELFISH, STUBBORN, PLEASURE ADDICTED SELF-WILL, arrogance, INDEPENDENCE etc. is seen as too troublesome 'evil' for them to bother with."

They want to replace a secular, progressive nation with a Christian Theocracy.

They sit on there high horses and claim how "Christian" they are while screwing over the middle and lower classes and raping the treasury.

They minimize the torture in Iraq while going ape shit over 2 seconds of Janet Jackson's breast.

They throw around words like "freedom" and "liberty" while doing their best to control all aspects of your life, especially in the bedroom.

Worst of all, they are no different than the Taliban and Muslim Fundamentalists, but cannot see the irony of it all.

And welcome to DU!

What these 'religious' people don't get is that the essence of religion is tolerance. You can look in any holy book (and I've checked out quite a few) and tolerance is a theme that runs through them. They also like to point out that what a religious person should concern themselves with is their own soul, not how others are acting.

and stop voting. I have a lot of respect for the Amish and Mennonites. They don't generally like us "English" but they do respect everyone's right to live how they want to.

like the Taliban and Al-Queda.