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DWright Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 01:16 PM
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BBV: Rough draft of BBV commercial
Meanwhile... It's still rough, but it's a start....

We MUST get this issue aired... And the WhorePress don't seem willing (even now) to tell the truth. So it's gotta be a commercial/PSA. One that is seen by ALOT of people.

How do we get it funded?

---Denis

quicktime- http://www.jimpaul.tv/mov/countthevote.mov

windows media player- http://www.jimpaul.tv/mov/countthevote.wmv

real player- http://www.jimpaul.tv/mov/countthevote.rm

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DWright Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 01:26 PM
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1. We need to brainstorm...
On funding options for this piece. True Majority is an option, as is MoveOn.Org. And VerifiedVoting.org has seen it and expressed interest.

We MUST get a more final version of this PSA on the air.... soon.
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JPJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 01:31 PM
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2. Some comments
No one at Fox News has been indicted, so I don't think they should be included in the list of liars.

The word 'recount' is evocative but doesn't capture the real issue - that without a voter-verified printout, there is nothing to stop a company from manipulating the vote.
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DWright Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 01:40 PM
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4. thanks
for the feedback, JP.

We've gone 'round and 'round about what people/logos to use. We settled on the best NON-partisan compromises. I truly hate it that Martha Stewart is there... and Clinton too, for that matter. But this PSA must reach the widest audience possible.

As to FAUX NEWS..... fuck em. They are fair game, imo.
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 01:47 PM
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8. Has this been checked out by a lawyer?
I'd be worried about slander lawsuits.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 01:49 PM
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11. From the VSPP panel California...
Edited on Sat Jun-19-04 01:50 PM by God_bush_n_cheney
When questioning Bob Urosevitch...President Diebold Elections Systems.

VSPP: "Bob, are you trying to mislead us or are you simply lying to us?"
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DWright Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 01:59 PM
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13. Bottom line
We need funding. I put it here to brainstorm to that end.

That's the ONLY thing that matters.

If we have funding, we'll have lawyers to vet it.

Andy, the PSA clearly refers to paper BALLOTS, not paper TRAIL.

Again, we're talking 30 seconds here. Can't get too technical.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 02:55 PM
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20. Yes I know...
I love the commercial especially since it says paper ballot! :yourock:
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DWright Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 02:58 PM
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23. Cool!
Thanks, Andy.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 03:29 PM
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27. Have you two met?
If not, you really should. Andy, Denis is an old friend of mine.

xx
S
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 03:30 PM
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28. No we haven't...
He live in New York as well?
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 03:41 PM
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29. check PM
xx
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 01:47 PM
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9. Not a print out...
a Voter Verified Paper Ballot.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 01:40 PM
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3. It's good. Paper sign-in is also important.
It's good.

Paper sign-in is also important.

I'm not suggesting you add it to your ad, but if a compnay provides the voting machines and electronic sign-in, it can fake the number of people who voted and design the machine to print fake ballots, if the model is printing ballots behind a box.

Unfortunately, California standards chose printing the ballots behind a box, instead of letting the voters deposit the ballots in a box.
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DWright Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 01:44 PM
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5. Thanks, Eric
We've had about a hundred different versions of the script. The problem is condensing the core problem into a 30 second commercial.

BUT.... I think going to PAID advertising/PSA is the ONLY way we're going to get this problem covered. The WhorePress are only nibbling at the edges.

And we NEED a solution BEFORE November.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 02:08 PM
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16. I know you can't cover everything in the ad. I just meant that
I know you can't cover everything in the ad.

I just meant that you might cover paper sign-in on your website.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 01:48 PM
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10. "Paper sign-in is also important."
:yourock:
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 01:45 PM
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6. Damn, that's good!
Thank you.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 01:46 PM
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7. Standing up Clapping...Cheering...
Wildly!!!!!!
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 01:56 PM
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12. Denis?
Is that you? :hi:
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DWright Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 02:03 PM
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14. Yep, tis me.
How ya doin Steph?

What do you thing about the PSA?
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 02:21 PM
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17. I'm on dial-up so I don't know if I can play it
Trying now.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 02:04 PM
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15. That's awesome.
I don't think funding the production of it should be too tough. There's enough lefties out there in the video production community that someone should agree to shoot and cut it pro-bono.

It's funding the airtime that will be a bitch. Of course, with some good PR, we can get Tweety and Aaron and maybe even Faux to show it in a news segment for free. (Which is one good reason for keeping the Faux logo in. They'll be livid. Look what that did for Lies And The Lying Liars.)
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 02:38 PM
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18. Terrific. One comment -
I know we've all been using "Voter Verified Paper Ballot." I know that's what we want.

But it's too verbose.

Why can't we just call it a Paper Ballot?

Whether the Paper Ballot is produced by a computer, or by punching a card, or by marking with a pencil, should not matter. All that matters is that a PAPER ballot exists for each vote cast.
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DWright Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 02:50 PM
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19. "Why can't we just call it a Paper Ballot? "
Good point, Steph.

I think, though, that in this war of words, that the Voter Verified part of the phrase reminds people that they SHOULD have some sort of oversight as to how their ballot is cast.

I dunno. I see your point but can argue it both ways. It'd be nice to save a few seconds on the commercial so I can have the "*blip*-blue-screen-of-death" ending that I wanted. ;-)
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 02:57 PM
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22. I hear ya on verbose Stephanie.
however, there should be no wriggle room.

Voter Verified...as in you look at it and verify it.

Paper Ballot...well you know that definition.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 03:27 PM
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25. I know, but it's not good for a TV ad
Listen to it again - it's too much. You can use the whole phrase in print but you have to consider shortening it for TV.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 03:29 PM
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26. Ok since I trust you...
I will have a smaller discomfort level over it.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 02:55 PM
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21. Ask MoveOn to fund it, or TrueMajority.org (nt)
nt
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 03:18 PM
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24. Nice work, Denis.....
I feel pretty certain the folks over at MoveOn would be interested.

I hope you get this on the air.....pronto!!! Thanks for your hard work!

:kick::kick:
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-19-04 03:51 PM
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30. Also check out the billboards that are already up in Austin
sponsored by the Coalition for Visible Ballots. Has a cartoon of a woman pushing a vote on a touch screen, and a kid sitting behind it with a laptop, changing the votes.

Got TV coverage the first week it was up; hit the front cover of the Austin Statesman last Sunday, with a 2 1/2 page article. What was especially ironic: In Austin they use Hart Intercivic, and Hart is based in Austin, yet the media is focusing on the billboards and giving the spokespeople for Coalition for Visible Ballots the opportunity to rebut Hart's answers.

Bev Harris
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