Full text of the memo justifying torture has been leaked

Warpy

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Sat Jun-19-04 04:30 PM
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Full text of the memo justifying torture has been leaked

Read the whole deplorable exercise in lawlessness and self-deception at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/documents/dojinterrogationmemo20020801.pdf

The first paragraph alone is espeically laughable. It's hard to believe they buy this stuff, even within the Bush echo chamber.

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ayeshahaqqiqa

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Sat Jun-19-04 04:34 PM
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1. For an administration who purports to be Christian

their embrace of torture belies their supposed beliefs.

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shraby

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Sat Jun-19-04 04:40 PM
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3. Is this the memo

that will cause Bushco to take the dive?

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Disturbed

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Sat Jun-19-04 06:53 PM
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17. "cruel, inhuman, or degrading"

in other words it's OK if these are perpetrated on detainees.

Christians? The BushCo gang are Sociopaths with no clue of what being a Christian means. It is uterly disgusting and pathetic that they wrap themselves in Christianity and the American flag.

What we have here is a Right Wing Dictatorship backed by Corporate money, esp. the Multi-Nationals. The crimes that have been commited by this Right Wing Junta are numerous yet it seems that there is little that can be done about that.

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Eric J in MN

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Sat Jun-19-04 04:39 PM
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2. Quotation from Bush Administration

"Certain acts may be cruel, inhuman, or degrading, but still not produce pain or suffering of the requisite intensity to fall within Section 2340A's proscription against torture."

-The Bush Adminstration, August 1, 2002

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shraby

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Sat Jun-19-04 04:45 PM
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6. How did you find this? It's not

linked to on the online newspaper's front page.

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Warpy

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Sat Jun-19-04 04:48 PM
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7. A bud posted it to me

I couldn't locate it on their main page, either. I have no clue how he found it, but there it is.

Obviously somebody who got the memo has a conscience.

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PurityOfEssence

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Sat Jun-19-04 05:56 PM
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13. A Kindler, Gentler Torture: a Thousand Points of Spite

stabbing into your crackling testicles.

Compassionate Conservatism: the oxymoron that keeps on giving.

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yowzayowzayowza

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Sat Jun-19-04 06:38 PM
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16. Is there anyone in this maladministration..

whose opinion on this matter could not be influenced with about a weeks "detention" and an ordinary dripping faucet? I wish they were only imbeciles.

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Jabbery

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Sat Jun-19-04 04:42 PM
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4. "Screw Jesus, We're Republicans!"

Jesus does what he's told to do. He's either with us, or he's with the terrorists.

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Sagan

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Sat Jun-19-04 04:43 PM
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5. What they are essentially saying...

...is that the Administration is completely free to define what is legally torture or not, without check, balance or oversight.

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shraby

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Sat Jun-19-04 04:57 PM
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8. This is from the

office of the Assistant Attorney General and is a memorandum for Alberto R. Gonzales, counsel to the president. There is no signature at the end. Does this mean that Gonzales sought legal backup for his determinations in the other memo that he gave to the president? It still doesn't show that Shrub signed an order. (Drat!!!) But it does show that they were intent on plenty of backup legal determinations to uphold their faulty reasoning.

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Spazito

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Sat Jun-19-04 05:14 PM
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9. Hmmm, this is what I get when I try your link...

We are unable to locate the page you requested.
The page may have moved or may no longer be available

You may also want to try our search
to locate news and information on washingtonpost.com

SEARCH:

For incorrectly linked articles or features
please contact our Customer Care team.
We appreciate your help.

Is it my computer or has the document been removed?

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Warpy

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Sat Jun-19-04 05:19 PM
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10. Just worked fine for me.

I don't expect it to be there long before it disappears down the memory hole. I just hope the memory hole people have a copy by now.

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Spazito

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Sat Jun-19-04 05:24 PM
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11. Thanks, just tried a re-start, etc, and still getting what I posted before

but it must be my computer, maybe something with my acrobat reader.

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Beam Me Up

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Sat Jun-19-04 05:46 PM
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12. it is a PDF file -- save link to your hard drive n/t

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Spazito

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Sat Jun-19-04 05:56 PM
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14. Thanks, I just tried that but it still wouldn't open, seems to be a

specific problem with my acrobat reader and this memo, must be a conflict somewhere in my program. Thanks for trying to help!

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wtmusic

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Sat Jun-19-04 07:38 PM
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19. I'm having problems too

file could be corrupted

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Warren DeMontague

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Sat Jun-19-04 07:44 PM
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20. Third Dat.

Same Here.

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DWolper

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Sat Jun-19-04 06:00 PM
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15. Unbelievable

To hear of their "shock" at what has happened rings pretty hollow. Disgusting.

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loyalsister

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Sat Jun-19-04 07:35 PM
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18. I seem to remember

Edited on Sat Jun-19-04 07:36 PM by loyalsister

the soldiers being quoted as saying that they were "having fun."

Those words have brand new meaning after reading this memo. According to the WH as long as they say they weren't intending to cause harm it wasn't torture. As soon as they landed in Iraq they were told if you get caught, "you were just having fun."

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stavka

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Sat Jun-19-04 07:57 PM
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21. Please post Memo: Too many people can't open file

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Eric J in MN

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Sat Jun-19-04 07:58 PM
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22. It's a pdf.

Go to the Adobe website to download a free pdf reader if you can't open it.

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Warren DeMontague

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Sat Jun-19-04 08:22 PM
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25. I've got up to date acrobat reader

and it's still not opening.

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Warren DeMontague

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Sat Jun-19-04 08:37 PM
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26. I Stand Corrected...

My Acrobat Reader was NOT up to date, and updating it fixed the problem.. Will Post in Main Tree.

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Tierra_y_Libertad

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Sat Jun-19-04 08:04 PM
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23. What's surprising is that anyone is surprised.

What's not surprising is the lack of calls by the congress for real accountability with trials for those who authorized it.

I guess they're too busy looking constipated and shedding crocodile tears over the beheading of Johnson - while authorizing higher budgets for the military.

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uhhuh

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Sat Jun-19-04 08:06 PM
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24. I was able to download it.

Everyone should read this thing...

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Warren DeMontague

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Sat Jun-19-04 08:38 PM
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27. For Those Who Can't Open PDF File...

Make Sure your acrobat reader is up to date. My old version (4.0?) wouldn't open it. Updating it to 6. whatever did the trick.

http://adobe.com

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Warren DeMontague

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Sat Jun-19-04 08:41 PM
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28. So Is This Going To Hurt...

Alberto Gonzales's chances at that :nuke: Supreme :nuke: Court Nomination? :nuke:

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Fenris

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Sat Jun-19-04 08:47 PM
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30. He wouldn't make it to committee.

He's done.

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Walt Starr

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Sat Jun-19-04 08:45 PM
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29. OMFG!!!!

This thing reads like a fucking organized crime meeting!!!!

These fuckers were justifying torture!

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