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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 09:36 AM
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PALAST: 1M black votes uncounted in 2000 election
1 million black votes didn't count in the 2000 presidential election
It's not too hard to get your vote lost -- if some politicians want it to be lost

In the 2000 presidential election, 1.9 million Americans cast ballots that no one counted. "Spoiled votes" is the technical term. The pile of ballots left to rot has a distinctly dark hue: About 1 million of them -- half of the rejected ballots -- were cast by African Americans although black voters make up only 12 percent of the electorate.

This year, it could get worse.

These ugly racial statistics are hidden away in the mathematical thickets of the appendices to official reports coming out of the investigation of ballot-box monkey business in Florida from the last go-'round.

How do you spoil 2 million ballots? Not by leaving them out of the fridge too long. A stray mark, a jammed machine, a punch card punched twice will do it. It's easy to lose your vote, especially when some politicians want your vote lost.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/06/20/ING2976LG61.DTL







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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 09:40 AM
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1. Palast is great, he's such a rabble rouser n/t
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 09:41 AM
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2. "Votin's for the white folks!"
What this really means is that Al Gore really won the popular vote by at least 1 million votes.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 10:00 AM
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3. yup
and, clearly, won the electoral vote TOO. he won FL hands down.
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 10:10 AM
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4. this is what bugs me....
"In other words, in the white county, make a mistake and get another ballot; in the black county, make a mistake, your ballot is tossed. "
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 10:18 AM
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7. and don't forget the 'felon' purge
overwhelmingly targeted black voters.
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 10:35 AM
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12. yep - the state of FL. settled a lawsuit brought by the NAACP
on that issue...they couldn't contest the facts of what happened....

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 10:10 AM
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5. I think I missed something
When did the American press start publishing Palast? I'm putting this in LBN, hope you don't mind. Thanks for the link
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 10:17 AM
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6. yeah, that was surprising!
I got it in an email from Palast's website. post away!
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 10:26 AM
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9. at the bottom of the article is: Page E - 3
I take that that's Section E, page 3 for this?

it's front page stuff
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 10:28 AM
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11. yeah. it was nowhere to be found on the SFC home page
had to do a site search to find the article and grab the link.

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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 10:24 AM
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8. That's ancient history....
That was a primitive ancient way of stealing votes.

Now they can get rid of milions of votes with just the click of a mouse.

Don't think they wouldn't. Palast has the proof of their intent.
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Bushfire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 10:27 AM
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10. Thanks for posting this.
I've forwarded it to an African American candidate running for Congress, and asked if she would support HR 2239 if given the opportunity. The exiting Congressman does not...
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 10:40 AM
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13. saved article to read later, 2 questions
there was 90k people purged for felony, 46k black it is said, if memory serves. then 2 million votes not counted, 1m black. for one state, this doesnt feel right. with the low percentage of voters in u.s. in turnout to have 1,460,000 black votes denied, does this sound right
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 10:45 AM
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14. your math is off
Edited on Sun Jun-20-04 10:46 AM by nostamj
1M + 46K = 1,046,000

and, the 1M did cast a vote but they were not counted
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 11:08 AM
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17. thank you for correcting my math
generally almost always i never make a kistake on math, not enough coffee.

so we are saying there should be about 1,046,000 more votes to gore numbers. that seems such an high unbeleivable number. the reason i say is becuase, this to me is one of the most valid points in the dishonesty of bush, and the beginning of the reign that the people need to understand and believe, and i dont want any exaggeration. i want the absolute truth in numbers as i tell others how the election was stolen. telling about florida and telling about georgia in 2002 leaves impact on those in amarillo.

both sides tend to exaggerate, while repugs flat out lie. i am also trying to show this to the people in area, when they say they both lie. not true i say. so i want to make sure i dont

number just seems incredibly high. election night when i saw bushie boys reaction to state being declared to gore, i knew they had screwed the nation. knew it. followed close all the way thru. couldnt believe no one invesigated it closer, found the cheating. and now to see the cheating found, and ignored and happening again, blood boils
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 11:41 AM
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19. i trust Palast re: the numbers
remember, the bushies used MANY methods:

'felon' purge
phony absentee ballots
'spoiled' ballots
'bad design' ballots

BUT, they would have you believe it was about 'hanging chads' and other distractions.

across the entire state, using all their methods, I don't find the numbers hard to believe at all...
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 11:45 AM
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20. ah and allowing the oversea repug
late ballots throwing out democrats. and the repug absentee ballots cleaning up and even signing if forgotten which is against the law

yes your are right, there was many manipulations

the who0res/horrors
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 11:46 AM
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21. Here's the confusion
The 1M number is nationwide, NOT just Florida.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 11:53 AM
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22. ty steviet
Edited on Sun Jun-20-04 11:54 AM by seabeyond
i have the article saved to read at a later time

that makes more sense. then that is saying something totally different if not just florida but nation. a nationwide effort to stop black vote,. hm
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 10:50 AM
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15. Emailed the article to Cynthia McKinney
I suggest emailing it to your members of Congress or the candidates you are supporting.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 10:51 AM
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16. this can be blamed on nader and those filthy greens
</mondosarcasm>
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JHBowden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 11:10 AM
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18. Well yes, if you guys insist on empowering Repukes.
:spank:
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donhakman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 12:22 PM
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23. The voting act says
that blacks now have the freedom to vote.

There is nothing in the language of that act that says that blacks have the right to have their votes counted.

This is the loophole that many districts keep in thier back pocket as an excuse for the legality of not counting black votes.
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 01:56 PM
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24. Kick!
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MUSTANG_2004 Donating Member (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 02:13 PM
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25. Tallahassee
One item in his article needed a little clarification IMO. When comparing Tallahassee to Gadsden county, it leaves some things unsaid. Tallahassee has perhaps the best supervisor of elections in the state, Ion Sancho. Because of that, it's not at all surprising that they had the best equipment. A better comparison would have been Gadsden against the state as a whole.
Also, while Leon (Tallahassee's county) has a white-majority, it has a black population of 29%, which doesn't exactly make it a poster child for a white-voters vs. black-voters comparison.

As an aside, Ion Sancho was elected about 20 years ago after the Republican supervisor totally botched an election.
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 11:28 PM
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26. Kick!
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