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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 12:42 PM
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Leo Strauss and the Noble Lie: The Neo-Cons at War
I'm reposting this because I feel it's a very important read.

As our Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld once noted in an off the cuff remark, strategic truths sometimes need be defended by a “bodyguard of lies.” Here Rumsfeld was thinking no doubt of Churchill’s famous quip defending Operation Fortitude, the mock invasion force aimed at Calais that drew the attention of Herr Hitler and his high command away from the Normandy beaches and hid the Allies’ operational plans in the summer of 1944. Rumsfeld’s critics in Washington and London, however, have in mind more the history of contemporary philosophy than the history of WWII.

In the past few months, the “bodyguard of lies” metaphor has been redeployed and used to characterize the Bush Administration’s raw manipulation of the CIA and other intelligence agencies for propaganda purposes and for the gross deceit that seems to characterize the rationales put forward for their Iraq policy. Of these there were many--WMDs, a suspected connection between Saddam and Al Qaeda, or the humanitarian rescue of the Iraqi people. They shifted depending on their intended audience and perhaps the day of the week. The “imminent threat” of WMD’s were emphasized for the British public while links to “Al Qaeda-like terrorism” were stressed at home – where the fiction that Saddam was directly involved in the September 2001 attacks has been firmly embraced by over two thirds of the American public. As Olivier Roy rightly noted last May, ”Washington’s stated war goals were not logically coherent, and its more intellectually compelling arguments were usually played down or denied.”

By the summer of 2003 - when the hunt for banned Iraqi WMD’s had gone nowhere and the Al Qaeda connection to Saddam had disappeared into thin air along with Saddam and Osama themselves, the cumulative disappointment shook the official rationale for the Anglo American invasion of Iraq. This placed Mr. Rumsfeld and the civilian policy makers in his Pentagon group on the defensive and set them up for the critics who had been waiting impatiently in the wings during the short but triumphal march to Baghdad. Secretary Rumsfeld’s credibility problems had now become Blair’s and Bush’s nightmare—provoking a transatlantic media storm that has touched the political establishments of the co-belligerents.

In London this affair has mainly raised questions about the honesty of Mr. Blair and his press and defense secretaries. In Washington it has done so as well, and the prevailing view of the Administration’s war policy among its critics is summed up succulently by the United for Peace slogan: “Bush lies—Americans die.” But this affair has also a raised a related and perhaps even more troubling question about the philosophical roots of the ideology that’s driving the “counter-revolution” in foreign and domestic policy within the Bush Administration. In short, the relation between strategic disinformation and political truth has been very much on our minds of late—along with some concerns about the lessons taught by Leo Strauss to the brilliant group of his former students who now occupy the seats of power in Washington.

(more)
<http://www.logosjournal.com/mason.htm>

THIS IS A MUST READ! Please Kick it.

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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 12:47 PM
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1. Some more reads for ya
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Southsideirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 12:47 PM
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2. Thanks for posting - filed it away for a read later on today. nt
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 01:07 PM
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3. Interesting read
Edited on Sun Jun-20-04 01:07 PM by Jack Rabbit
I clicked on one of the footnotes, but it only lead me to the Logos home page. This would be footnote iv, relating to Strauss' concept of consoling lies. I would expect this would point the reader to where in his canon one could find Strauss elaborating on the concept. I have one of Strauss' books on my shelf (Natural Right and History), but I don't recall coming across the concept there.

Just a side note, Plato uses a similar concept in The Republic, a work I much admire for many reasons but not for the political philosophy it expresses. Plato, it should be said, was probably even more hostile to the concept of democracy than Strauss. Of course, in democracy, there is no place for lies, consoling or otherwise.
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Waverley_Hills_Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 02:21 PM
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4. Im becoming more interested in the intellectual pedigree of the Neocons.
Srauss..

I am also starting to read (in some cases re-read) Isiah Berlin.
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alejandrofromcuba Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 02:23 PM
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5. who
Is Leo Strauss related to Levi Strauss?
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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 02:44 PM
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8. Nope. Different jeans.
:-)
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Waverley_Hills_Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 02:31 PM
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6. Maybe not just Strauss
But other political pedigrees have been suggested for this group. Michael Lind for instance traced their roots back to the right wing Shactmanite faction of the American Trotskyite movement who entered the Democratic Party in the 1960s and then split with the Left over the Vietnam War. Many members of this group continued their rightward itinerary by rallying to Senator Scoop Jackson’s campaign against the New Democrats. Some finished with the Democratic Leadership Council, while others found a home in the Reagan and now the Bush fils administrations. Other critics who promote an “Iran-Contra bis” scenario for the current flap over intelligence trace the group back to the policy cabal that had promoted the Contra war against the Sandinistas and who had lost their power and influence in the second Reagan Administration as a result of the Iran-Contra hearings of the late 1980s.

Michael Lind is to be listened too given his own history with the conservatives before turning on them and moving to the center.


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Waverley_Hills_Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 02:44 PM
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7. ...hmm, echoes of Joseph de Maistre
The global reach of American culture threatened to trivialize life and turn it into entertainment. This is as terrifying as a specter for Strauss as it was for Alexandre Kojève and Carl Schmidt… All three of them were convinced that liberal economics ...destroys politics; all three understood politics as a conflict between mutually hostile groups willing to fight each other to the death… In short, they all thought that man’s humanity depended on his willingness to rush naked into battle and headlong to his death



"..it is man who is charged with he slaughter of man,,,the great law of the violent destruction of living creatures. The whole earth perputually steeped in blood, is nothing but a vast altar upon all that is living muse be sacrificed without end..."
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Waverley_Hills_Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 02:49 PM
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9. Straus sounds like a quasi-fascist.
In other words, Dury claims that Strauss believes that Men by their nature are inherently aggressive and can only restrained by a powerful nationalist state. “Because mankind is intrinsically wicked,” Strauss once wrote, “ he has to be governed. Such governance can only be established, however, when men are united – and they can only be united against other people.” And Dury adds that this means: “ If no external threat exists then one has to be manufactured.”

The "volk" united agains the enemy.

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kaitykaity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 03:03 PM
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10. The big lie central to the neocon philosophy.

They believe the common people are too stupid to know
what is good for them, and so it is okay to lie, because
the "elite group" know what's best for them.

Strauss also espoused using religion to keep the people
in line.



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Waverley_Hills_Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 03:22 PM
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13. But, given we are a republic, this cant be said openly.
I do like how this dovetails nicely into fundamentalism.

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kaitykaity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 03:26 PM
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14. Funny how that works.

The neocons are using the fundies, but would throw them
over in a second if they no longer suited the neocon
purpose.



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Waverley_Hills_Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 03:30 PM
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15. And vice versa, but fundamentalism is very close to Straussianism
If the Straussians have this belief is that there is this "elect" who guide and govern the masses, then thats very close to the mentalitity operating in evangelical christianity and fundamentalism, which, although is supposed to be about personal salvation, has a very strong "the Leader and the Led" component to it.

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kaitykaity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 03:38 PM
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17. I think I was more going for the absolute belief component
of the fundies, the morality component. The way, the
truth, and the life part of it.

There is an absolutism to fundamentalist thinking, and it
will be the ultimate betrayal for them to realize their neocon
leaders don't take religion, much less fundamentalism, seriously.

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 03:15 PM
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11. More info on Leo Strauss
One can find information by researching the University of Chicago website. Here's a few gems I found a while back:

LEO STRAUSS AND EARLY MODERN POLITICAL THOUGHT:
http://www.mun.ca/animus/1998vol3/robert3.htm

LEO STRAUSS'S PLATONISM:
http://www.mun.ca/animus/1999vol4/roberts4.htm

This last site has lots of links:

Strauss on the Web:
http://www2.bc.edu/~wilsonop/linksa.html
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Waverley_Hills_Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 03:20 PM
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12. Thanks, this is all quite fascinating.
It would be nice to have an ongoing political philosophy threat here.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 03:44 PM
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20. yes, but...
The the Mods will probably suggest that the thread be started in "Bush, Conservatives, and Conservatism."

Great idea though! I want to learn more too!
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checks-n-balances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 09:47 PM
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26. I agree - and thanks for posting this!
Edited on Sun Jun-20-04 09:48 PM by demo@midlife
I went on a sort of hysterical rant & started a thread about this whole thing the other day. The reason it makes me so crazy is I hear the media talking around this by dwelling on issues like WMDs, Iraq's alleged ties to al-Qaida, exporting democracy to Iraq, etc. as though those are REAL issues. The are bogus issues, of course - smokescreens hiding the neocons' true basis for us going to Iraq. If enough people in the press could/would just come out and expose this, we wouldn't have this endless skirting around the issue & some of these leaders would be on trial. But I just answered my own question - if the press cut to the chase, they wouldn't have enough news to anymore to fill all that broadcase time on all the networks. Then again, they could cover a big trial and that would keep them busy for awhile.

Sorry, Waverly, I couldn't resis this one:
Good suggestion - we could have an ongoing political philosophy thread about this "ongoing political philosophy threat". Great accidental irony - I wish the threat would stop but seriously, an ongoing thread about this seems like an essential to really understanding the roots to our tragic folly in Iraq.

On edit: filling in an omitted word.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 03:35 PM
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16. More articles here:
PNAC Links

Also a big article on Strauss in June Harper's - Ignoble Liars by Earl Shorris. Some excerpts & commentary posted here:

On the lies of the neocons & BushCo:

"One of the great services that Strauss and his disciples have performed for the Bush regime has been the provision of a philosophy of the noble lie, the conviction that lies, far from being simply a regrettable necessity of political life, are instead virtuous and noble instruments of wise policy. The idea's ptrovenance could not be more elevated: Plato himself advised his nobles, men with golden souls, to tell noble lies - political fables, much like the spectre of Saddam Hussein with a nuclear bomb - to keep the other levels of human society (silver, iron, brass) in their proper places, loyal to the state and willing to do it's bidding."

On the attitude of Strauss & the neocons toward democracy:

"Plato believed that the wise should rule - and who could quarrel with that? But who then decides among competing wise men and what should be the limits of the wise statesman's power? It is instructive to listen to Strauss: 'It would be absurd to hamper the free flow of wisdom by consideration of the unwise wishes of the unwise; hence the wise rulers ought not to be responsible to the unwise subjects.' ... His reading of Plato comes down to this: true democracy is an act against nature and must be prevented at all costs."

He goes on to make brilliant points about the arrogant attitude toward mere contracts and wimpy pluralism held by advocates (such as Strauss) of 'natural law'. This, of course, is the great intersect between neocons and dominionists.


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Waverley_Hills_Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 03:40 PM
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18. Yes, Ive read the Harpers article...
It is quite good,

Shorris' remarks about Strausses obfuscatory writing style bring to ming Orwells remakrs about clarity in English.

Shorris also proposes Isiaiah Berlin as a counter to Strauss, which is why Im reading Berlin now.


Its all really quite revealing. One wonders, though, whether this elitist attitude is limited to Straussians. I think that this a more general attitude on the part of people who have made it to "the top" (wherever that top may be).


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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 03:43 PM
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19. Yes but the neo-cons are explicitly using Strauss to justify their crimes
They give themselves leave to invade Iraq based on a lies because Strauss assures them they have the right to do so. A little different than simple elitism.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 03:49 PM
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22. Yes
And they will not be able to use this as a denfense in a war crimes tribunal, though they may try.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 03:47 PM
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21. Isiaiah Berlin
What are you reading? I want to look it up in the library tomorrow.
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Waverley_Hills_Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 03:52 PM
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23. Two books of essays..
"Crooked Timber of Humanity" (with his essay on de Maistre, which is quite interesting), and "The Proper Study of Mankind"...this is maybe the broader survey.

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 03:58 PM
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24. Thanks
"The Proper Study of Mankind" sounds interesting. I'm really too busy (grad school) since I have to read about 5 texts per week plus tons of articles, but I'll go look it up tomorrow when I go to the library... I really should be studying right now, but saving America is on my mind 24/7.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-20-04 08:26 PM
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25. This is of fumdamental importance to understand these TRAITORS in
the administration of George W. Bush aka The War President.
:dem::kick:
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