Will neocon protesters interfere with Farenheight 911 at theaters?

I have been worried that neocon demonstrators will show up in large numbers at movie theaters to protest F-911 and scare prospective moviegoers away. Could the neocons make F-911 the "New Jack City" of this year's movies, making it hard for Moore to get his message across? Could neocon protesters do enough baiting or semi-violent acts to destroy the movie's credibility with the average voter?

No worries mate ...If ya see any ask them
"Why they hate our freedom?"

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we are THROUGH playing nice with people who are ACTIVELY SUPPORTING THE DESTRUCTION OF AMERICA.

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NO MORE BACKING DOWN!

with that neocon fascist shit they will be f***ing sorry. It won't the same as with those religious f***wits who ask me ARE YOU AFFILIATED WTH ANY CHURCH??? :puke:

Hand them to the howling bigots.

I'm going tonight to see the film and if ANYONE dares to disrupt, I will seriously kick ass. My cell phone is equipped with a digital camera, so I will definitely be documenting any disruptions.

the more they protest, the more they try to get his ads thrown off of the air, the more tickets Moore will sell (pun intended)! If I were Moore, I'd hope the press talks about the lawsuit just filed today in an attempt to say the ads mention a federal prez candidate and violate McCain-Feingold! Keep talking about this latest Repub trick - and Michael will make more $!

This is definitely a "Thanks, Tipper!" That's what Stevie Tyler of Aerosmith said, as he was accepting his grammy award for his mult-platinum recording that had sold many copies because Tipper Gore kept mentioning the album (when she was advocating ratings)(no offense to the Gores - they're great - but she did really help sell the band's record).

Censorship is a fascist tactic, not one that belongs in the Democratic party. She and her bunch of blue-hair PMRC nazis can all go jump off a bridge, for all I care. Thanks for the political correctness movement that helped get us here! Bitch.

I don't expect any protesters here in Austin (one or two freepers don't count IMO), but if I'm wrong and they do show up, then I plan on getting in their face.

It's like what Moore said. These assholes had four fucking years. We get 2 hours. I'm willing to fight for every minute.

I'm also willing to fight for every minute.

... the protests will be barely noticeable.

Anyhow, most theaters sit well onto private property. Security won't put up with any shit.

I'm guessing "protests" will be a non-event, with maybe one or two exceptions.

I'm wondering if some will pay to get in, then disrupt the film once inside.

I don't know how many theaters would be prepared for that sort of effort.

Kanary, with mixed feelings about even voicing this concern

The neocons are without scruples and this movie is devastating to their President.

He's the one who got me to wondering, and wondering just how well theaters are prepared for that.

I'm thinking it would be good for groups of libruls to think about how they would react to a disrupter ahead of time.

It's so very sad that our country has come to this.

Kanary

Probably a generalized one, but if there were more than one disrupter, would security guards be able to handle it?

...and dump the popcorn on him....

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I don't think some theater manager is going to appreciate being confronted by me, and other angry people, who paid to see the movie, and were annoyed by disruptors.

I will call the theater manager, and the cops, if necessary, if anyone disrupts the movie tomorrow night while I am there. If it comes to that, I will demand my money back, and demand to be seated at another showing that is disruptor free.

I am 55 years old, and not very big. But I know how to be a loud bitch when I need to. Let them try, just let them.

You sound like you wouldn't let anyone mess with ya. :)

I'm your age and was wondering how I'd react tonight if disruptors are present at the theater.

I'm in Ohio -- freeper heaven -- and have to go downtown to see the movie; I expect very little security present.

So, I'll don my DU "revolution" t-shirt, hold my head up high, and march right in!

I can do this! Yes I can!

:)

If you have a digital camera, sneak it into the theater. Make it a point to document an such actions....

Good idea.

I mean, there could be the rare wingnut who wouldn't care about the consequences and do this, but I don't think large numbers of freepers are gonna pay ten or twelve bucks on movie tickets, money that I'm sure they know will make the movie more successful financially. They are crazy not stupid, mostly.

Would rather sit back and complain than actually put their feet to the street and protest something. A lot like many democrats I might add.

they won't win any friends for their cause. I think protesters (nonviolent of course) would be great because it will just increase the media coverage of the film. Then it will become the "must see" film of the summer.

Any media coverage is probably going to be good for sales eventually!

Emotions will be running very high. They do not have the courage of their convictions to do such a foolish thing. They are very stupid but I don't think even Freepers are that stupid. That would be akin to walking through Harlem or Watts and calling everyone you saw a nig*#r. It would not get them very far I'm afraid.

I remember defending women's clinics from Operation Rescue back in the early 90s. One of their favorite games was for one of their female protesters to get too close to a male defending the clinic and then accuse him of touching her inappropriately. The other thing I remember is that the more Operation REscue shouted and chanted, and the more we shouted and chanted, the more it looked as if we were equal to the average person who saw a few seconds of the protest on the evening news. I remember so many people saying to me, "Well, both sides are to blame. They get out of hand." But it wasn't true. Our side was following a particular protocol--non violence--with our only goal being to keep the clinic open. We did not bait the religious nuts--they tried to bait us. But from a distance, no one could tell the difference and our side lost some credibility.

I think it is very possible that just the presence of baiting neocon protesters can cause us all to be painted with the same brush.

It's past time for us lefties to really think deeply about this, and come up with some new ways to deal with the right.

We've stayed stuck in the 60's, and times have changed.

Kanary

There has to be a way to show a peaceful face and still get our point across on TV. Maybe we should bring video cameras to the theater and take footage of what the neocon protesters do.

But..... there are many ways of doing non-violence, and as you say, it can be perceived different ways.

My point (and I do have one..... hehehe) is that we haven't really done deep thinking about this for a lot of years. the RW certainly has changed their tactics, and it's time for us, also.

Rethinking has to be continual.

Kanary

I'd be interested to hear what suggestions you have. IT has been a long time since we looked at this.

I don't think that usually, these things come from one person. :)

It's a matter of brain-storming with a number of people. Coming up with different ideas, and distilling them and experiementing until we come up with some different options.

As I said in another thread, during the anti-vietnam war protests, we processed after an action, and tossed around what happened, how we felt about it, and came up with different possibilities. We don't do that anymore... we do our action, then quickly leave, and don't really think about it deeply. We're missing out.

Kanary

I am actually interested in what you are thinking. I don't ask unless I really have an interest. I am too young to have been in the Vietnam protests, so you have really peaked my curiosity.

The neocon strategies are viscious and I worry about how we are dealing--or not dealing--with them.

This has been the best conversation I've had here on DU... the give and take is great, and all too rare here. I thank you for that.

I will give it some thought. I repeat, though, I think this comes out of a group process, not a single person.

I totally agree that the RW is viscious... (coincidentally, I just turned on Clinton on CNN, and that's what he was saying as I was reading your post.......... "They don't even see us as people") And that's the point...... most of the strategies of non-violence that we used previously were to appeal to their humanity. When that is missing, it all gets twisted, and doesn't come out right. It's a huge (and very *sad*) shift to come to grips with the fact that they aren't -- and *won't*-- view us as human beings.

I often wonder what MLK would be saying today. Oh, Martin, we need you!

Thanks for listening, Nikki..... wish we could put our heads together...... who knows, maybe we'd come up with something.

Kanary

They don't even see us as people...

You know, that's actually very true. It's the result of a kind of propaganda that so objectifies and demonizes that it leaves no room for individual perception. It's military psyops applied to the general public in a non-military context. Demonizing the enemy is the way to get soldiers to kill. But demonizing one's own neighbors can only have the net effect of viscious shunning. Shunning eventually gets uncomfortable: the demonized want to fit in. And the fit is ideological.

I see this rise of the far right as a war--and I don't use the term lightly. It's war to kill ideas and ideals by demonizing the people who have them. It's as old as human society but as young as the modern psychological and technological methods used to achieve it.

Non violent resistance needs certain conditions to work: It needs, first, an enemy that has a vested interest in appearing moral or good. If the enemy doesn't care what you think--or has enough spin to deflect something that would make it look bad--then this condition cannot be met. Second, non-violent resistance needs a press with moral sensibilities. The journalist has to understand the moral question at the center of the issue. The photographer has to know where to focus the lens. If the press has no moral sensibilities--or is controlled by corporations with their own agendas--then this condition cannot be met.

Instead of being the best kind of political theater to achieve a moral end, non violent resistance instead becomes a nuisance, but a controllable nuisance, for the object of the protest. In the press, non-violent resisters become troublemakers, annoying people who should be ignored and never emulated.

So, I think you are correct about needing different strategies. I just don't know where to start.

If neocon protesters start being violent, non-violence is still the best response. People can still distinguish hitting from non-hitting. But if Rush Limbaugh can convince people that the Abu Ghraib photos--horrible images--are "no big deal", then not only can we not appeal to their humanity but we also cannot even appeal to their own eyes, their own perceptions, their own thoughts.

That is what scares the hell out of me.

Though mentioning that it mirrors the Nazis Propaganda Strategy (minus the overt racism and violence...for the moment) seems to irritate people.

I don't care. It is the truth and I WILL NOT stop saying it.

Nice to meet you tom. I appreciate the backup.

However, using Hitler--even when and if appropriate--is a rhetorical sinkhole. It is one of those allusions that is so cliched and so overused that it has degenerated into a slur, not an example.

I don't disagree that some neocon propagandistic tactics reflect fascistic tendencies or techniques. But I try to steer clear of using the H-word because it delivers explosive emotional content that can blind the reader to anything else I have to say. It's a personal choice.

The Bush Family was in bed with the Original Nazis.

Dubya's Granddaddy was "Hitler's Angel".

http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHGstore.cgi?user_action=detail&catalogno=NN_Bush_Nazi_Link

Dubya's Daddy saved his Nazi pals with Operation Paperclip...and don't think theye weren't grateful.

http://expage.com/notowar3b

These are both 100% real happenings. Unquestionably.

No, I might have agreed with you before 2000, but I am now fully convinced (and it took more than a decade for me to finally decide and commit to this view, from their rhetoric to their purposefully constructed Lie Luandry, the only things THEY AREN'T similar to nazis in is overt racism and violence...in every category there are degrees of similarity, usually close similarities)

I know that your sources are correct. I looked into this connection to satisfy my own curiosity. Thanks for a serious answer. I really appreciate it.

Hitler was actually elected with the majority of the vote.

"neutralize" the types of actions we have used for so long.

What I think in terms of is going through books that talk about how to deal with dysfunctional people, and then trying to think of ways that would use the same principals on a large scale, rather than one-to-one situations.

But, in any case, they will soon figure out how to "neutralize" just about anything we try to do.

I think about the only way we are going to have an effect over the long haul is to become so committed to each other, and so tightly knit that they can't break through that. And, I don't see that actually happening -- the left is as mired in the "rugged individualist" stance as the right.

Yes, it's most definitely a "war". And we are caught leaderless, and fractured.

Well, now that I've thoroughly depressed myself.....

Kanary

AS long as we still can get information out to people. I keep thinking of Sting's line: "Men go crazy in congregations, they only get better one by one." It may be a one by one battle.

The nice thing is that Michael Moore's film is actually starting to build some unity, I think.

I don't think we *can* do it "one-by-one"........ that's what we've been trying to do, in our rugged individualist way, and it doesn't seem to be getting very far.

It makes me very sad that people still see this as such an individualist thing, and don't seem to see the importance of a strong cohesion, but....... not much I can do about that, so I'll just find out what the outcome is.

I hope we don't have to completely bottom out before we decide to come together and actually work on real community.... think the French revolution........ it took a huge group effort. We're a l-o-n-g way from that.

Kanary

The problem I see is that if we adopt the propagandizing tactics of the right, we destroy what it is we are and what we stand for.

We then have the Al Franken approach, which is to debunk the right wing spin machine minute by minute. A talk radio station devoted to debunking may be useful but not necessarily a rallying cry.

What have you been thinking about?

I realize that it's really difficult to try to carry on a serious conversation in this type of venue, but.... that abrupt change of direction left me with some whiplash.

Go over again what I said in the message before last, about seeing the RW as a dysfunctional foe, and figuring out how to deal with that, just like we have to do with dysfunctional bosses, etc.

Then, in my last message, I talked about learning how to work together as a cohesive group, rather than this rugged individulism stuff which doesn't seem to be working all that well.

How, between the two of those things, did you read anything about "adopting propagandizing tactics of the right"?

I'm really lost.

Kanary

I guess we should brainstorm two different forms of counter protest...one outside the theater and one inside.

If people want to protest outside the theaters (off of public property) then there's not too much that can be done about it other than not yell at them when a tv camera is near since we really should learn from the story you told.

Protesting from inside the theater is a different story though. They're on private property so I guess the best thing to do would be to demand that security take them away and continue the movie. The faster the disruption is stopped, the better.

We can't play into whatever they might do. Don't yell back, don't hit back (get a cop if there is injury), and wait patiently while any disrupter is removed. The worst thing would be if Dems lose their cool.

I don't get the reference.

Because there was violence at the openings in LA--alleged gang members attended the movie--many theaters stopped showing it out of fear of violence.

Ohhhh, goddess...... now *I* feel ........Old.........

~~gigglesnort~~

Kanary

I used the adjective "old" in case the poster was young.

Boyz may have caused its own problems. but it was the violence at the screenings of New Jack City that became infamous--at least on the short term.

I remember riots at both movies.

Funny, since "Boyz 'n The Hood" had a non-violence message.

I will be seeing the movie tomorrow in a theater that is part of a major hotel/casino (Sam's Town). Only a true idiot would want to tangle with casino security. Therefore, I expect the movie to be disruption-free and very enjoyable. :)

Let 'em do it and reap the whirlwind.

Sounds a little ominous.

blow baby blow!

If a freeper busts up the party he's gonna get a Catagory 5 right up his ass. Is that ominous enough?

Welcome to DU :toast:

Thanks for the laugh, and the welcome. :)

Nikki

i just returned from the opening showing of f-9/11 (in boston) and the theater was packed. there weren't any protestors and the crowd was extremely receptive. and the movie... just incredible!

Thanks for the report. I hope all the showings go as smoothly

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Kanary

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Going to see it tonight. I can't wait.

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that's why there was no protestors-wingers are too afraid to enter Cambridge! ;-)

i actually saw it at the loews on boston common. i probably wish i had seen it in cambridge though; there was no air conditioning and i think about 30 minutes of previews/commercials. although the amount of previews would be the same at all loews.

I can't wait!

See how they like it.

I remember during the clinic defenses, Operation REscue used to take film of the clinic defenders. My mug ended up on some fundamentalist's VCR somewhere. Not that I minded them knowing who I was and what I stood for. What bothered me is that these folks were ideologically connected to people who targeted and killed abortion doctors.

if it was visible.....in other words, if they could see you had a camera.

There are strict rules about any recording of a performance.

Even though you wouldnt' be filming the performance, the fact of the camera would most likely be a problem.

Ya know, it would be interesting to talk to theater owners, just to see what their thoughts are on this.

Kanary

...equipped with a digital photographing capability....they can't stop that and frankly wouldn't want to...

Cameras in phones would make it into any theater.

I surely hope they are everywhere!!! I welcome every and all opportunities to tell those sorry types what I think of their piece of shit president. :puke:

just like chickenhawks. They're cowards who hide behind angry, violent rhetoric and the herd.

Just like their leader * can't stand the light of day radiated from this movie, wingnuts would never be able to face down real people who didn't think like them – and a crowd of "angry" Democrats would be highly motivated. They won't show up because they're outnumbered.

first of all I will not take any shit from them.

2nd of all it only brings more attention to the movie and really hurts their cause more than helps it.

Just hit 'em with your Wild-eyes, and they'll go home, wagging
their tales behind them! :silly:

I think that most cinemas these days are attached to malls in one way or another. That would be considered private property, I would think. I just wonder if security at any of these places would allow protestors. Probably they would just shoo them off.

so protesters can gather on the sidewalk.

Liberals all. Freepers are, by definition, stupid and/or crazy, but very few people are stupid/crazy enough to take on 500 pissed off liberals.

Besides tears and laughter, there were a whole hell of a lot of angry Democrats in that room.

and the thing we discussed about disrupters *in* the movie......

I've read a couple of posts in another thread about security guards being in the theaters. Dunno if they're in *every* theather, but I wouldn't be surprised. AFter all, some (if not many) of the theaters received death threats if they showed the film, so I would imagine they were prepared.

What a country we live in now, eh?

Kanary

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