We are not at WAR!!!!!

If we leave Iraq, the Iraqi War Machine will not follow us back to New Jersey. The guy who claims to be "The War President" should be known as "The Occupier of a seized territory based on lies in order to control ME affairs and diminish OPEC's authority President"

Maybe too wordy?

yeah YOU STARTED THIS SO CALLED "WAR" you idiot! this is no war and there is no war on terror either. I mean really . How can there be a war on "terror" anyways?

ask him or her what they've done for the "war effort"? You're likely to be met by awkward silence.

Anyone could be a "war time" president. All they had to do it start a war. Hitler was one. Mussolini. W.

Its a lot harder to be a peace time president. That takes smarts and respect for others. Kennedy is a good example.

Bush has so far started wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Haiti and has tried to overthrow the democratic govenment of Venezuela. Its a legacy he carries over from Nixon, Reagan and Dad. They are a nasty, selfish lot of bastards.

They were all up Clintons rectum for going into Kosovo. Maybe because they didnt see the profit. They didnt see what was in it for us.

unpatriotic bastards

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

Dennis Kucinich was later asked during a debate, "Will you be a war president?"

Kucincih said "No, I'll be a peace president."

Or a "war on anything that keeps the freeptards distracted while we steal trillions out of the treasury."

Same results also. Drugs; not a dent. Poverty; on the rise, as is homelessness.

that the 'war on terror' will be never ending. If Bush continues to 'lead' we will be forever in a state of war. This allows Bushco to use this as an excuse to run rampant on human rights and trample on the rights of US citizens. 'We' must make sacrifices in time of war, you know.

to it's wealthiest citizens and corporations. I walk down the street, I see people at the ballpark, people going to the movies, folks hanging around the cafes and bars and restaurants looking like they have not a care in the world. No we are not at war and I hope we never are.

While not exactly a sterling precedent for Bush to follow, the Kennedy/LBJ tax cut went through at the same time the number of troops in Vietnam was escalating (I believe they had 16,000 in Vietnam when the tax cuts passed shortly after Kennedy's death).

So there is a precedent for it, although not a very happy one.

real esacalation in VN was well after 1963-4.

Vietnam was an example of what not to do, in all respects, from getting involved, at the beginning, to the awful treatment of soldiers coming home.

There are several of here, that actually have friends and relatives getting shot at over there under constant denigration from the right as "unamerican", because we want our loved ones back home, and we do not want our children drafted as cannon fodder for an illegal war.

Iraq is shaping up the same way as Vietnam. The same freepers that are "supporting the troops", by bashing those of us with a honest vested interest in the Iraq war, will also be the first in line to scream "BABY KILLER", at homecoming troops, after it becomes a true quagmire, and the right bails out after profiteering their trillions, and suddenly starts to blame John Kerry for the whole mess after he wins in November.

Maybe B* should have stayed awake in class...

IIRC, has ever cut taxes during wartime. Bush is the worst President since Hoover. And I believe that, if he gets another term, it'll end just like Hoover's administration, with a second "Great Depression."

Unfortunately his name is synonymous with the Great Depression which even Greenspan agrees was caused by the Federal Reserve Board. To pin it down farther, the Great Depression can be tied to the heart attack that caused the death of the governor whose vote had prevented interest rate increases. After his death, the board voted to raise interest rates and we entered into a depression lasting until WW II forced the government to deficit spend.

and forgive my generalization. Hoover wasn't a bad president, but his legacy of one was attributed to the lack of ability to turn the tide of Depression. But it is startling how the conditions that likely led to the Crash are present in the US today:

1) Unequal distribution of wealth and income. In 1929-30, folks at the top of the economic ladder were making 650% more than those at the bottom.

2) Unequal distribution of corporate power. The mergers and acquisitions of smaller companies by larger trusts and holding companies.

Also, the lack of a real trade tariff on imports gives foreign companies little to no barriers for shipping lower-cost and non-domestically produced items to American shores. As well as giving American companies a favorable environment to ship production jobs overseas.

Whew! Finally all that listening to Thom Hartmann has paid off!!

And most civilized countries have stiff penalties for it.

generic prozac or some other pharmeceutical product. If we don't feel terror, then the terrorists can't terrorize us.

otherwise - dead on!

Your title, I agree is too wordy. Bush should be the "Do-over Daddy's Term" president. The only problem is that George Bush is so enamored of his body odor that he thought that all it would take to pull Operation Finish Daddy's War off was to get to Baghdad and topple a statue.

we've been at war since WWII. Isn't that the last time Congress declared war (it's prerogative)?

Perhaps from a religious point of view, that seems to be how the insurgents see it, we're in a crusade. Of course the Pope declined to participate, so maybe it doesn't qualify as a crusade.

It is interesting that with the possible exception of Pearl Harbor which isn't mainland USA, neither the Japanese or Germans were able to cause 3,000 casualties in the US during WW II. The Iraqi War Machine, out of commission, won't be making an appearance here. But I do wonder about Muslim fundamentalists.

Either Sixty Minutes or 20/20 demonstrated how easily something could be smuggled into the US in a container. In their case they bought furniture in Southeast Asia, ordered a container, and loaded the furniture into the container and shipped it off. Upon arrival at their headquarters (in New York?), they unloaded the container (the seals on the doors hadn't been broken) and took pictures of the large metal pipe they had secreted in a chest. Customs got pissed when they caught wind of what had happened. Fortunately they weren't able to prevent the episode from being televised.

So while we may not have a horde showing up on our shores in the future, there is a definite possibility some of their handiwork may. I wonder about that every time I see a container going down the Interstate. Are we in a war? Not in the conventional sense. But that might not stop thousands more from getting murdered here from a plot carried out by Muslim fudamentalists.

Imagine Ike or Harry or JFK stating "I am War President".

He is dry alcoholic.

Only that type would make following statements which are so dumb.

Trust me--I say what I mean and mean what I say--When I make up my mind it stays made up--

Usually, these are dumb remarks you hear in a barroom.BUSH WAFFLE HOUSE
“I say what I mean and mean what I say”
“ Promises made-Promises kept”
“When I make up my mind it stays made up”
“I do not take cues from anyone”
“You can’t say one thing and do another”
“Trust me I’m a straight shooter”
“I’m the commander, I don’t need to explain, I do not need to explain why I say
things”
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1.Osama Bin Laden is my number one priority. (at least this week)
2. We need an Office of Strategic Influence (Next decade maybe)
3. I will follow the UN Resolution as long as it takes-10-27-02
10-31-02—The UN needs to act now
2-13-03—The UN needs to show courage (like I did during Vietnam.)
4. I am a strong believer in Fair Trade—(except steel and softwood lumber) (votes first)

Ed Crane—Co-Founder and President of The Cato Institute-“Everything this
administration does is political”

5, We do not need for the Homeland Security Department to be a Cabinet position.
I made up my mind on it. Boston Globe—6-9-02 “Bush Flip Flop”
6. I will get Osama Bin Laden “Dead or Alive”—(go get em cowboy)—5-13-02-(“I don’t know where he is, I have no idea and I really don’t care.) (It’s not that important. It’s not out first priority”) (“I say what I mean”). (“When I make up my mind it stays made up”).
7. I will use the bully pulpit with OPEC. (Sic em bulldog my gas now 1.65 per gallon)
Supply went down and Prices went up and (“This is just the Free Market at Work”)
8. I will never apologize to the Chinese for “stealing our plane”. Please guys! Be nice.
Return our plane. “I regret it”
9. I mean what I say—“We can expect an attack”. Each month warning. When BOY?
10. Wash. Post-2-8-03—Bush seeking a promise from IRAN (Evil) for humanitarian help
in event a slaughter is done in Afghan. (Sounds like Reagan?)
11. NYT-1-23-03—Bush (Man of steel will) “rescinding” old policy and implementing a new policy that allows managed care organizations to limit and restrict coverage of emergency services for poor people on Medicaid. This was after criticizing HMO.s for refusal to allow treatment. If this is a Devout Christian I am Jesus Christ.
12. We will not negotiate with North Korea. Wash Post 1-16-03—Bush is now willing to consider agricultural and energy aid. (Hold on! This is EVIL of axis)
13.Individual investors who borrow money to buy dividend paying stocks should be penalized.(Gosh! What did I say—I did not mean it) NYT 2-5-03
14. I mean what I say until yelling starts. Military pay increase of 2% then 4%.
Stars & Stripes-12-30-02—Bush asked Defense Dept. to lower the announced pay raise for the military from 3.7% to 2%. Finally got 4 in 2004 budget.

“I am tired of all the Lying and Deception”—Amen! Hallelulah! Then stop it Boy.




15.I mean what I say—I am the education president. Please. First budget increased by 1,5% which had averaged 7% increase per year over five years. (Sounds like Clinton was the Educated educator to me.)
16.Wash Post-12-2-02—In June 2002 Bush promised 500 Million to fight mother-child transmission of Aids . In Aug he vetoed the first transfer of the 500 million. In 111 days since his promise 222,000 babies have been infected with Aids. (I wonder if Jesus Christ is tossing in his bed)

17.“Secretary O’Neill is doing a good job. The economy is improving. I have faith in him”. (your faith lasts two weeks boy)

18.The Homeland Security Bio-Terrorism Bill is too expensive. I will veto it. An Ok is not a veto boy.
(I mean what I say” but maybe I will not this time.)

19. I do not approve of an Independent Investigation of 9-11. (“I mean what I say” but—yelling is too loud).

20.I am against international money laundering controls. (9-11—“I changed my steel mind”) They may catch daddy.

21.We will have major social security changes. Wash Post. 11-11-01—Andrew Card on Meet the Press on 11-10-02 “I am not sure we will reform it” This was a Centerpiece of his campaign..

22.-12-30-02—We will not tolerate a North Korean nuclear arsenal. (Act nice guys if you want our $$$)

23.We do not hit civilian targets(in Afghan). There is no evidence. (Red Cross building not civilian—Veterans Hospital is military—Warlord Party heading to Kabul to celebrate was armed with .22 rifles—Wedding Party was violent and firing in the air at our planes 20,000 feet above them)

24.Wash Posr-11-15-02—“If you are not happy with the administration’s policy toward Iraq at any given moment just wait a week or two. A new policy, more your liking, is bound to appear”.

A. Go it alone week
B. Let us wait for UN week
C. “regime change” is goal
D. remove wmd is goal
E. Secretary of State is nor speaking for the president
F. Attorney General is not speaking for the administration.
G. I am sick and tired of this waffling and waiting.


25.Steel Tariff—I really did not mean that much. I angered some people. Reduce it.
(When I make up my mind it stays made up)
26.Carbon Dioxide is a power plant pollutant I will control.. (Oh! It will be too costly to my energy contributors so forget it suckers—cough cough)
27.Reuters-6-26-02—‘I have confidence in the Palestinians when they understand we are saying they must make the right decisions”—“I can assure you we will not be putting money into a society which is not transparent and which is corrupt”.
(Was he referring to his administration? Sounds like it—transparent—corrupt)

28.I am against human cloning in any form. (well, not quite “any”)
29.“I knew nothing about dangers of 9-11”. Eight months later. “I knew a damn bunch (but I was too busy on Vacation and looking for more to blame on that President who stomped my dad. Darn it is tough being dumb, inarticulate and following such a brain and great success)
30.“I am in excellent physical condition.” (Darn, staying up till midnight in Paris zapped all my energy—Boy—try conditioning your mind))
31.I am on top of everything. (Why did you say twice on TV—“I am not in control the Pentagon is running the War (Afghan)—You have a White House base—same as Al Qaeda. Only more secretive)
32.I will veto bill increasing benefits for disabled military retirees (Yep!He was war hero.. 6-20-02 in Wash Post. I do not change my mind. Until 2004 Budget).
33.-6-14-02—released 23,653 of ”cherry picked” Reagan papers after refusing to do it. “When I make up my mind it stays made up” Is this BOY real ?”
34.I mean what I say—‘I will provide 100 million to help preserve the Rain Forest”
35.Budgeted funds for his dad’s Crusader cannon then demanded that Congress kill the big sucker.
36. Airline Security is very important to me. Then, why did you fight so hard to keep guns out of cockpits?
37.Barred part-time Mexican and Canadian students from U.S. schools after 9-11. Then, after howls reversed his decision. “When I make up my mind”
38.Simon (candidate for Gov. of California). “He is a breath of fresh air.”
Bush sho hated that California Smog for he avoided Simon while in his presence.
39.“I will not engage in bailing out countries.” 30 billion to Brazil just a tip?
40.NY Times-Richard Stevenson-2-14-03—“Bush eases Ban on AIDS money to pro-abortion groups abroad.. What will he tell Falwell?
41.-March 6—“We will call for a UN Security Council vote.” Geo. Bush
March 13—“There may be no vote” Colin Powell
NY TIMES-“Bush promises to adopt peace plan”. The Guardian-“Bush reversed his previous insistence that the Middle East Peace effort must wait till after Iraq SLAUGHTERAMA
42.NY TIMES--Edmund L. Andrwews-2-26-03—Less than a month after President Bush proposed a radical overhaul and expansion of individual retirement and savings account the White House has abandoned their idea. (“When I make up my mind it stays made up”) (“Promises made promises kept”) (“I say what I mean and mean what I say”)
-------------WHO IN HECK IS IN CHARGE IN THIS WAFFLE HOUSE?------------

43. NY Times-Patrick e. Tyler-5-17-03—“In reversal, plan for Iraqi self rule by June 1 put off indefinitely. “When I make up my mind(scorched?) it stays made up”? Sho!
44.BIG WAFFLE—Washington Post-8-19-03-Dana Milbank & Bradley Graham—
“Bush revises view on combat in Iraq”.---May I on USS Desertion he said-- “Combat Operations are over”.. Now—“Actually, Major military operations continue because we still have combat operations going on”. Is this boy of scorched brain or what?
45. TEACH FOR AMERICA PROGRAM ZAPPED BY BUSH. I am pissed off. Big time. In 2000 campaign Bush promised President Wendy Koop to expand it. His aides asked President Wendy Koop to quadruple it. . On July 11,2003 she got a letter “We regret to inform you your application was not selected for funding”. Gone. Zapped totally. Bush is one of sorriest not just worst in history. Read TIME—8-17-03. Joe Klein article headed “WHO KILLED TEACH FOR AMERICA”? Sorry, but I am so furious I have difficulty writing. I do not like to curse but xxxxxxx.
45.OBL not priority or is he?
A 9-13-01—“The most important thing is for us to find Osama Bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him”.
B. 9-17-01—I want justice. Wanted :Dead or alive.”
C 12-28-01—“Listen awhileago I said to the american people our objective is more than Bin Laden—Press pool in chapel on ranch
D. 3-13-02 “I am truly not that concerned about him.”The New American 4-8-02
E. 3-13-02—“I don’t know where Bin Laden is. I have no idea and I really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority.” Wow!
46. Bush told bob Woodward in his book “Bush War” that “he didn’t feel that sense of urgency” about Al Qaeda prior to 9-11”. No claims had great sense of urgency.

47.Nov 2003 Bush made highly touted speech about spreading democracy in the entire Middle East. NYT reported he backed away after it was denounced by Egypt Mubarak and Crown Prince Abdullah of Saudi Arabia.
48. 2-2-04 Budget Director Bolton-“we will not need additional funds for 04.”
5-5-04 Bush “I am requesting that Congress establish a 25 Billion contingency reserve ”
49. 3-9-04 Press Secretary McClellan-“Condoleeza Rice will not testify before 9-11 commission it is matter of principle.” President Bush on 3-30-94 “Dr. Rice will testify.”
50. 3-19-02 Ari Fleischer-“Creating a Cabinet Office will not solve the problem.”
6-6-02 President Bush “Tonight I ask the Congress to join me in creating a single permanent department securing the homeland of America.”
51. NYT 1-29-04 “Bush resists outside investigation on WMD intelligence failure.”
2-6-04 Bush “Today, by executive order, I am creating an independent commission, to look at American intelligence capabilities.”
52. Wash Post-1-19-04-“Bush opposes extension of time for 9-11 commission.”
CNN-2-4-04---“Bush supports time extension for 9-11 commission.”
53.NYTimes 2-26-04-Bush limits testimony to one hour.”
Spokesman McClellan-3-10-04 “Bush sets no time limit for testimony.”

54.Larry King Live 2-15-00 Bush says Gay Marriage is a state issue.
2-24-04-Bush “Today I call upon the Congress to promptly pass, an amendment to our constitution defining andprot4cting marriage as a union of a man and woman as husband and wife.”
55. 3-6-03 Bush vows to have a UN vote no matter what 3-18-03-Wash Post-“Bush withdraws request for UN vote.”

...against US.

..not the 'terrorists' - but rather his own people.