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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 10:40 PM
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Kerry Record Emphasizes Foreign Affairs & Investigations (NYT)
One big reason for supporting John Kerry is, as President, he would appoint an honest Attorney General who'll go after the Bush Organized Crime Family.

Those familiar with Kerry's background know he wants to learn more about the Bush clan's connections to the Carlyle Group, rich Saudis including the royal family and the bin Ladens, and Swiss banking. These are visible (unfortunately in a truncated way, like a monstrous iceberg) in the tragic events of 9-11.

John Kerry's record in the Senate is for going after the bad guys. Some of the baddest include people who ought to be considered traitors to America. The biggest fish are card-carrying members of the BFEE, including Ollie North and Felix Rodriguez. Don't take my word for it. Here's a good overview article from the New York Times:


August 10, 2003

Kerry Emphasizes Foreign Affairs and Inquiries, Not Legislation

By CARL HULSE

WASHINGTON, Aug. 9 — John Kerry is recognized in the Senate more for his expertise on foreign policy and for mounting Congressional inquiries than he is for steering legislation into law.

SNIP...

Instead, Mr. Kerry has emphasized investigations, dating to his inaugural months in the Senate when he used his personal staff to compile one of the first reports on the activities of Oliver L. North in providing aid to the contras, the rebel group in Nicaragua.

It was the first of many investigations. There was an inquiry into corruption in Panama under Manuel Noriega followed by another into Haitian drug trafficking. In 1991, he led a major committee investigation into an international banking and money laundering scandal, and in 1992 he led a select committee, which ultimately determined that no American P.O.W.'s remained captive in Vietnam.

SNIP...

His list shows that in 1985 he proposed one of the first bills to prohibit discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and in 1988 passed a bill to protect dolphins from being caught in fishing nets.

CONTINUED...

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/10/politics/campaigns/10RECO.html
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indictrichardperle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 10:43 PM
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1. these present day scandals dwarf all previous.......SILENCE
for two years out of Kerry. The OSP, the mountain of lies......when is he going to make a peep ?

Im not holding my breath.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 10:44 PM
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2. Nor am I....
people poo poo the skull and bone connection, but they protect their own. Kerry has covered up more than once for Bushco IMHO.
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styersc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 10:58 PM
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3. Skull and Bones
WHa, ha, ha, ha.

This is priceless. Who needs the Comedy Channel?!?!?

Now tell me the one about Kerry's connection to UFOs in Roswell.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 11:25 PM
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10. I'll ignore that comment
"Now tell me the one about Kerry's connection to UFOs in Roswell."

As there is no connection...But despite your comment...SnB boys pledge to each other. It is a fact you cannot refute, so you make lite of it. But wether you believe it or not it remains a fact. Night want to learn a little history and come back to the conversation when you have.

www.boodleboys.com
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styersc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 11:31 PM
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12. OH MY GOD!!!!
Its written on a web page!!!!!!!

Please forgive me. I didn't know that it was on a web page!!!!!

It must be Gospel- (heck better then Gospel since the Gospel wasn't written on a web page!!!)
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 11:42 PM
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14. How about the Boston Herald?
``John Kerry has absolutely nothing to say on that subject. Sorry,'' said Kerry spokeswoman Kelley Benander.

as do all bonesmen...including the chimp

http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/5-25-03/discussion.cgi.28.html

Others think there is something to it, and have researched it. But you are way to smart and full of yourself to consider the possiblility. :shrug: Go ahead fall in line for the New World Order...a phrase Kerry has uttered. I plan on fighting it tooth and nail.

http://www.alpheus.org/html/source_materials/parapolitics/sandb_print.html

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styersc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 10:59 AM
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21. I certainly appreciate your fighting "the New World Order" Tooth and nail.
If there had dilligent people around when JFK, a known memeber of the Knights of Columbus, was murdered by a secret Rotarian hit squad the world would have been far different over the last four decades.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 11:13 PM
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6. Kerry is honorable. His AG will look into the BFEE.
Senator Kerry's entire adult life has been a public record. His biography is one of gallantry, service, earnestness and brilliance.

Regarding investigations, the point of this thread, Kerry would do what he did to his the crooked Little Turd from Crawford's old man Poppy. Chase after the truth, relentlessly.

Senator Kerry turned over evidence of criminality on the part of BCCI — a corrupt international bank with ties to Pakistani intelligence, Saudi oil money, the Bush clan, Manuel Noriega, the CIA, the KGB, Ollie North, Abu Nidhal, as well as international arms merchants, money launderers and drug dealers. This is what he’s DONE, not talked about.

Here’s what Mother Jones says about Kerry has done regarding BCCI. The 1993 article gives evidence of what he will do:

From Shredded Justice

Snip…

* In 1988, Senator John Kerry (D-MA) passed evidence of criminal conduct by the Bank of Credit and Commerce International to the DOJ. Justice did nothing. Later, the director of U.S. Customs, William Von Raab, gave Justice even more explicit evidence of BCCI's wide-ranging criminal banking activity. The DOJ neutralized Von Raab's evidence by entering into a narrow plea-bargain agreement with BCCI officials, effectively shutting the door on Von Raab's broader allegations. In 1990, the DOJ tried to derail Manhattan district attorney Robert Morgenthau's independent investigation of BCCI by contacting witnesses and warning them not to cooperate with Morgenthau. Former Senate investigator Jack Blum said that since BCCI had been the original banker for the administration's Iran-contra operation, the Justice Department "just wanted to look the other way."

Continued background on Iraqgate, etc…

Source: Mother Jones

http://www.mojones.com/mother_jones/JF93/pizzo.html
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 07:41 AM
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19. Give us an example of when and HOW Kerry has covered
up ANYTHING!! Please make it credible instead of this off the wall bullshit.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 12:57 PM
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24. Ok...how about this?
An Open Letter to Sen. John Kerry on Iraq

Dear John,

It has been a long time since we have had contact. As you might remember our very first meeting was at VVAW's Dewey Canyon III, "A Limited Incursion Into the Country of Congress," April 19-23, 1971, in Washington, D.C. I'm sure you remember asking the Senate that week in an impassioned speech, "How do you ask a man to die for a mistake?" You also stressed the importance of being "totally nonviolent."

Our second and many subsequent meetings occurred in Massachusetts after you were elected Lt. Governor, 1982-84, while I was active in veteran's issues in Western MA. As director of a veterans outreach center in Greenfield, and the Western Massachusetts Agent Orange Information Project, I served on the Massachusetts Agent Orange Task Force under Governor Dukakis' veterans commissioner and your office as Lt. Governor. I subsequently also served on Dukakis' homeless veterans task force.

snip

The first hint of a bit of disconnect in your style was when during your first Senate campaign you denied returning your war medals, with a thousand other veterans, in protest of the war during Dewey Canyon III. That was a bit of a shock, since for most veterans who returned their medals in that emotional ceremony on Friday, April 23, 1971, it was a very proud and healing moment. Your 1984 campaign response: You had returned the medals of a WWII acquaintance at his direction. All those 13 years everyone thought you had had the courage and leadership to return medals that to veterans who returned them represented medals of dishonor drenched in the blood of innocent Vietnamese who did not deserve to die for a lie, any more than our fellow US Americans. I guess you knew then that you were to be running for office.



Kerry's subcommittee refused to delve into the highly pertinent Chicago branch office of BCCI and their Chicago twin, a branch of Italy's largest bank, owned in part by the Vatican, Banca Nazionale Del Lavoro, BNL. The BCCI report was a whitewash and coverup. Prove otherwise. He stopped short cause Dems and repubs were involved. He chickened out...

Honestly though...His support of Patriot Act, homeland gestapo and war are quite enough to turn me off to the guy. My only hope now is he does not make it through the primaries and the point will be moot.



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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 11:08 PM
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4. You might want to learn more, then.
Kerry has been vocal in his criticism of Bush, from Selection 2000 to 9-11 to ENRON to the Iraq invasion. Where've you been?

Here's a bit of what Kerry has said about the subject, from his campaign website johnkerry.com. This gives an outline of what Kerry would do as President, regarding this investigation. My point is, he has the experience and track record for doing this type of work:

(FIRST) STOP SLOW ROLLING THE 9/11 COMMISSION AND TELL AMERICANS THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED ON SEPTEMBER 11th.
 
The only winners from President Bush stonewalling the bipartisan 9/11 Commission are the terrorists.  Until we know what went wrong, we can’t fix it. President Bush needs to show some leadership and tell John Ashcroft and Tom Ridge to quit stalling and provide the Commission with the information they need. This is about people, not politics --- policy, not partisanship.

Until we know what went wrong before and on September 11, 2001, we won’t be able to fix it. That is why John Kerry and others in Congress listened to the 9/11 victims and survivors and forced President Bush to accept the bipartisan 9/11 Commission.
The bipartisan leadership of the 9/11 Commission has recently reported that President Bush, his Attorney General and other senior officials are slow rolling requests for information required by the law. Without adequate information, the 9/11 Commission can’t do its job.

Every day that goes by without the 9/11 Commission completing its investigation, is another day that all Americans are at increased risk.

President Bush should immediately direct every member of his Administration to make it a priority to comply with every lawful request made by the 9/11 Commission and he should fire any member of his Administration who endangers America by not complying.

CONTINUED...

http://www.johnkerry.com/news/speeches/spc_2003_0716b.html


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indictrichardperle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 11:12 PM
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5. weak, mealy mouthed
not a word about the Iraq war, the lies, the manipulation, the occupation....the OSP....the re-assembled iran-contra crew.......nothing, zilch.

He cant win the nomination by staying silent, get a spine and show some leadership.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 11:16 PM
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7. Like I wrote: Where you been?
Either you've been hiding out or you haven't been paying attention or you have some serious issues with Kerry campaign. Most Democrats, even those who support other candidates, want to go after the Bush Organized Crime Family. Kerry does more than talk. He makes things happen. He'll open up when the timing is right — like a smart person.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 11:21 PM
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9. Like he did in regards to the war?
He bent over fast and voted yes for Bush.

Dont try using the "He was lied to" either. Kerry knows the lies Bushco is capable of. He should have listened to his constituents. We knew there were no WMD's.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 11:16 PM
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8. He voted for the war and occupation
I don't hear him talking about Bush criminality either.
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indictrichardperle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 11:27 PM
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11. most importantly, why is he silent now ?
Dean is leading because he takes on Junior, no holds barred, thats the only reason.

What is Kerry waiting for ? You need to bring up things Kerry did or said 10 years ago.....we need an opposition party now, not cowardice.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-16-03 11:32 PM
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13. Exactly....
"What is Kerry waiting for ? You need to bring up things Kerry did or said 10 years ago.....we need an opposition party now, not cowardice."

More recently he has:

Voted for the Patriot Act

Homeland Gestapo

And War...then he shuts up and acts as if it is all ok.

But don't get me wrong. Any Dem or Repub that voted for these deserve all the venom we can heap on them.


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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 12:37 AM
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15. Kerry said he wants "Regime Change" in the United States.
He was referring to George W Bush. Guess you've been too busy at the Dean meet-ups to have noticed this:

GOP assails Kerry for 'regime change' comment
Democratic contender calls for change in White House


Friday, April 4, 2003 Posted: 11:37 AM EST (1637 GMT)

Sen. John Kerry, a Vietnam veteran, says questioning a war should not be considered unpatriotic.

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. John Kerry came under fire from top congressional Republicans for saying the United States, like Iraq, needs a regime change. Kerry would not back down.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tennessee, said the statement by the Massachusetts senator called into question Kerry's fitness to be the nation's chief executive.

"Free and open discourse is one thing, but petty, partisan insults launched solely for personal political gain are highly inappropriate at a time when American men and women are in harm's way," Frist said in a statement Thursday.

In a speech Wednesday in Peterborough, New Hampshire, Kerry said President Bush so alienated allies prior to the U.S.-led war against Iraq that only a new president can rebuild damaged relationships with other countries.

"What we need now is not just a regime change in Saddam Hussein and Iraq, but we need a regime change in the United States," Kerry said.

CONTINUED...

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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 12:42 AM
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16. Too little too
late...this was long after his approval for the war. He is shedding crocodile tears now.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 12:50 AM
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17. Kerry voted to protect the US from terrorism.
He had to make a difficult choice. He's brave enough to make it, though, not just talk about it, like your candidate. BTW: Kerry has never asked anyone to make the kind of sacrifices he volunteered to make when he was a CO in the US Navy. That responsibility can only be for the bravest of the brave.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 01:19 AM
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18. Um you mistake me for
something I am not methinks.

"though, not just talk about it, like your candidate."

Who is my candidate? Did I mention a name?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 09:48 AM
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20. Your candidate is Howard Dean.
As evinced by your many posts on this board.

Why do you act like so innocent? It's disingenuous.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 11:47 AM
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23. Hmmm I am so glad you have picked my candidate for me...
But I have a news flash for you...I am in Dennis' corner. Or hadn't you heard?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 01:09 PM
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25. Nice try. Remember the DU1 Dean meetup thread?
You indicated you were working the registration table. You asked DUers if they recognized you, the "redhead."

Anyway, you might have forgotten. Here's a link to a DU1 thread where you posted a nice graphic that stated your (then) position.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=5294&forum=DCForumID66&archive=yes



So, when did you change your horse?
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 01:39 PM
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26. Oh about 3-4 weeks ago
Edited on Sun Aug-17-03 01:48 PM by God_bush_n_cheney
After hearing more of Dennis. But if Dennis doesn't make it and Kerry does by some fluke...I still won't vote for him. He crossed the line.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 02:01 PM
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27. So, now you'll smear John Kerry in DK's name?
Got it. Thanks for letting me know.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 02:43 PM
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28. This is no smear...
it is Senate Record fact...

Patriot Act...yea

Homeland Gestapo...yea

War...yea

Those three reasons are all I need not to like Kerry.

But then he told us to "get over it" using the same words the Republicans used in 2000. Sorry I won't "get over it". John may appreciate stolen elections I don't. Has he said anything about the rigged machines? Did he challenge the Resident on sealing the presidential records? Has he talked about Shrubs involvement in BCCI, Enron, etc etc etc? Why hasn't he brought up shrubs AWOL record? Why does John have the record for having missed the most number of votes in the Senate, aren't we paying him to do a job? Why is he missing votes?

It is funny how Kerry supporters seem more like apologists. I guess you have a number of things to apologize for. But it won't work on me. Kerry needs to apologize! All your hand wringing and wailing will not change the fact he is wrong. But don't get me wrong, the dislike I hold for Kerry applies equally to every politician that voted War PA and Gestapo.

Kerry, along with the rest of the DLC are part of the problem not the solution. Keep on voting for them knock yourself out. But when Kerry isn't what you thought you were getting, don't come crying to me...I will only say I told you so.

Oh and by the way...you can look back over every single post of mine here at DU and see...my position has remained constant in this regard. War, Patriot Act and Gestapo are my line in the sand. Now tell me where I have smeard?

Brian Wilson says it best...

"In the life of being a Senator, John, I'm afraid that your career again proves that power corrupts (and blinds), and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Of course you have many friends in the same camp. With your vote for essentially agreeing with the selected resident of the White House's request for incredible authority in advance to wage wars against whomever he wants, you have contributed to finalizing the last of the world's empires, and the likely consequent doom of international law, peaceful existence, and hope for the future possibilities of Homo sapiens."

Is that a smear? Looks like a heartfelt analysis to me. In the final analysis, John smeard himself...he needed no help from me.

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 11:45 AM
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22. Kerry helped sink KISSINGER as head of 9-11 Commission
This didn't get much press. I wonder why?


Kissinger, Mitchell to 'follow facts'

By Walter Pincus
THE WASHINGTON POST
Monday, December 2, 2002

WASHINGTON — Former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell, who will head the new commission to look into the Sept. 11 attacks, said Sunday they would sever relations with any clients that are involved in their investigation.

SNIP...

The possibility that conflicts of interest could arise between Kissinger's clients of his New York-based consulting firm and the targets of the 9/11 investigation was raised yesterday by Sen. John Kerry, a Democrat from Massachusetts. Appearing on NBC's "Meet the Press," Kerry said, "I think it is going to be extraordinarily important for Dr. Kissinger to prove to the nation that he comes to this without any linkages that could remain suspect."

Asked on Fox News Sunday about Kerry's remark, Kissinger said, "If there are any clients that are involved in the investigations, I will certainly sever my relations with them. But I cannot conceive that there will be any."

CONTINUED...

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/kqvradio/s_105532.html


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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 02:53 PM
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29. Kerry and Clark, that's going to be one helluva team.
:thumbsup:
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