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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 09:58 PM Original message |
Has there ever been a true capitalist society |
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Indiana_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
1. Keep reading like I've had to do.... |
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MAlibdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 10:21 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. I may have an answer to #2 & #3 |
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Indiana_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 11:03 PM Response to Reply #6 |
25. So then my questions would be about the same: |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 10:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. I know it's an economic system |
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bigbillhaywood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 10:34 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. That's also a point I often make when people are attacking socialism |
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Indiana_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 10:50 PM Response to Reply #7 |
18. Yes, I ask the same questions! |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 11:06 PM Response to Reply #7 |
27. How do you think pure, or real, capitalism would work? |
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bigbillhaywood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 11:19 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. Why not start with the guy who started it all-- Adam Smith? nt |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 11:22 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Funny, but when you quote Smith to these guys and don't ID him? |
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bigbillhaywood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 11:32 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Yep. When Smith was writing, it was all untested theory. A version |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 11:55 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. You know, I forgot about Friedman |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 11:57 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. They also worship Hayek and the Vienna school |
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bigbillhaywood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-04 12:00 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Yeah, Salma Hayek is pretty hot. I didn't know she was an economist. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-04 12:07 AM Response to Reply #45 |
47. You never heard of the Hayek curves? |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-04 12:01 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. That's exactly the next thing I was going to write :) |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-04 12:11 AM Response to Reply #44 |
49. And Mises |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-04 12:39 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. I've been thinking about a lot of the same stuff since impeachment |
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Jim Warren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-04 02:01 AM Response to Reply #51 |
55. Some of the right, definitely yes |
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Moonbeam_Starlight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-04 12:08 AM Response to Reply #1 |
48. Off topic |
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Indiana_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-04 02:37 AM Response to Reply #48 |
57. Oh thank you! He inspires me! |
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swag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 10:09 PM Response to Original message |
2. I recommend |
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zeemike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 10:10 PM Response to Original message |
3. That is an interesting topic |
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DBoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 10:33 PM Response to Reply #3 |
12. 100 years is way too generous |
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Sandpiper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 10:13 PM Response to Original message |
4. Around the turn of the 19th century |
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bigbillhaywood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 10:17 PM Response to Original message |
5. If you mean what Adam Smith envisioned, no.. |
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no_hypocrisy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 10:23 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Dickensonian England? His stories are capitalist morality tales about |
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DBoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 10:34 PM Response to Reply #5 |
14. Class struggle then was bloody |
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bigbillhaywood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 10:37 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Not just private militias. Police, National Guard and US Army, too. |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 10:59 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. Spoiled |
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Nevernose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 10:23 PM Response to Original message |
8. What about Chile under Pinochet? England, early 19th century. |
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happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 10:27 PM Response to Original message |
10. Communism - Capitalism dualism |
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bigbillhaywood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 10:39 PM Response to Reply #10 |
16. Excellent post, but all your examples are predicated on the nation-state |
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happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 11:14 PM Response to Reply #16 |
31. Marxism for saw the destruction of the Nation-state |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 11:36 PM Response to Reply #31 |
41. Maybe I'm just splitting hairs |
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Jim Warren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-04 02:25 AM Response to Reply #31 |
56. I am impressed nt |
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zeemike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 10:42 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. That is very insightfully |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 10:54 PM Response to Reply #10 |
20. Collectivism |
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bigbillhaywood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 11:02 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Not what Communism is according to Marx |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 11:06 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. I'm suggesting that the poster |
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bigbillhaywood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 11:11 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. No, I did understand your point. Just wanted to add my own. nt |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 11:13 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Well, you're right |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
11. I've always had a belief, and it is a dumb belief, that as long |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 10:56 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. These already exist |
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zeemike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 11:01 PM Response to Reply #11 |
23. I think there was a perfect blend |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 11:09 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. I do know what you are talking about, but it still allowed |
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zeemike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 11:23 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. The key point is the law of the Sabbath |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 11:29 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. I agree about the wisdom to be gleaned not only from the |
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oscar111 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-04 03:24 AM Response to Reply #35 |
60. Israel,ancient:questions |
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zeemike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-04 07:42 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. It ended when the people wanted a king |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-04 09:20 AM Response to Reply #62 |
65. Remember that the Old Testament as we know it |
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zeemike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-04 09:56 AM Response to Reply #65 |
67. If it is logical |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-04 05:58 AM Response to Reply #35 |
61. The problem with a system based on everyone inheriting land |
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zeemike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-04 07:52 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Is it really true? |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-04 09:12 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Well, some things like irrigation are easier to do |
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zeemike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-04 09:49 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. As long as there has been farming |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-04 10:45 AM Response to Reply #66 |
69. Effectively under your system, you can lease out your land |
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zeemike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-04 12:13 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. It is not my system |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 10:51 PM Response to Original message |
19. No -- there hasn't been |
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bigbillhaywood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 11:17 PM Response to Reply #19 |
32. Check this out. Asshole USA Today a couple of years ago did a whole |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 11:27 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Thing is |
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zeemike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 11:33 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Right you are |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 11:52 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Definitely |
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bigbillhaywood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-15-04 11:35 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Ayn Rand: Spoiled rich heiress, just pissed that the commies seized |
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MundoQueGanar (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-04 12:15 AM Response to Original message |
50. This is most certainly capitalism. |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-04 12:51 AM Response to Reply #50 |
52. capitalist system |
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bigbillhaywood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-04 01:20 AM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Hey Mundo... |
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MrPrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-04 01:38 AM Response to Original message |
54. NO /nt |
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oscar111 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-04 03:10 AM Response to Reply #54 |
58. S.Korea-Conglomerates are most of the economy |
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Seabiscuit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-04 03:22 AM Response to Original message |
59. "Has there ever been a true capitalist society"? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-04 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
68. In the EU, they're very committed to creating an efficient well-oiled... |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-16-04 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
71. Yes. They call it the Mafia. |
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