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NewJerseyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 03:38 PM Original message |
Roll Call of "Marriage Protection Act" |
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Cannikin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
1. Oh god....this isnt looking good. |
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Paramita (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:24 PM Response to Reply #1 |
51. New Yahoo Group Antifundamentalism |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
2. Really disappointed in Steph Herseth.... |
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NewJerseyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 03:45 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. She's in a tough position |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 04:28 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. She's in a REALLY tough decision now |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 04:35 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Dont bite off your nose to spite your face. |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 04:37 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. There's no difference between her and the Republicans |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 04:42 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Yah, no difference at all. You do realize this is why the repubs do it? |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 04:52 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. The legislators who voted for this should be impeached |
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NewJerseyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:16 PM Response to Reply #28 |
46. Members of congress aren't impeached |
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AntiCoup2K4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 04:56 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. I'm sorry, but that's a fucking cop out. |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:04 PM Response to Reply #32 |
39. Maybe you exist in a special plane outside of time and space |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:05 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. No, you are willing to "compromise" our basic constitutional system |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:25 PM Response to Reply #40 |
52. You dont live in a perfect world. |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:27 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. I live in a world where the Bill of Rights matters |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:31 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. Silly me, I put human lives above the constitution. |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:36 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. The Constitution guarantees "human lives" |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:38 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. Thats a strange ethic you got there |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:41 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. It's not a "strange ethic". . . |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 06:31 PM Response to Reply #39 |
114. ," but the rest of us live on earth." |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 06:18 PM Response to Reply #12 |
105. Don't you know |
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Bertha Venation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 04:43 PM Response to Reply #4 |
25. "So, politically," . . . meh. |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 04:45 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Fine, lets not play politics, lets not participate |
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hatrack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 04:49 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. But if there are to be no consequences to pissing on the Constitution |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 04:53 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. I agree with you completely |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:18 PM Response to Reply #27 |
47. Do you want revenge or results? |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 06:32 PM Response to Reply #47 |
115. I want accountability |
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Bertha Venation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:00 PM Response to Reply #26 |
35. No, darling. That wasn't my point at all. |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:01 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. She can enjoy her retirement soon |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:26 PM Response to Reply #37 |
55. You gonna replace her with a republican? |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:28 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. No "Democrat" who subverts the Constitution deserves office |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:32 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. So youd rather the country burn down than a dem act |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:38 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. Destruction of the constitutional order = country burning down |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:41 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. You are lost. |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:42 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. You are whacked |
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AntiCoup2K4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 07:01 PM Response to Reply #62 |
128. The country's been burning down since December 12, 2000 |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 06:20 PM Response to Reply #26 |
106. Im sick of this |
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Ruby Romaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 03:46 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. maybe she & chandler felt they had no choice-they are in such |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 04:29 PM Response to Reply #5 |
14. They have voted NOT ONLY to go against gays. . . |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:24 PM Response to Reply #14 |
50. Brian |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:48 PM Response to Reply #50 |
85. If the Constitution provides Congress the power to exempt laws from review |
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asjr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
3. Marriage act |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
6. So Foley voted his heart. Why didn't Dreier? |
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liveoaktx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
7. The difference, to me, is that I might still vote for the Dem |
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xxqqqzme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
8. bono better B voting |
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NewJerseyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
9. Well, it looks like the FMA will do badly |
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mike1963 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 04:23 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Uh, the FMA was defeated last week |
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NewJerseyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 04:26 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. I know |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 04:31 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. This is not "moderate" at all |
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NewJerseyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 04:33 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. I know it isn't moderate |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 04:39 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. There's no difference |
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NewJerseyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:41 PM Response to Reply #21 |
73. I don't believe the bill applies to the federal recognition part of DOMA |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:42 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. No, the bill exempts DOMA from review |
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NewJerseyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:54 PM Response to Reply #76 |
92. I don't think so |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:58 PM Response to Reply #92 |
96. The bill doesn't exempt just one part of the law |
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NewJerseyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 06:09 PM Response to Reply #96 |
100. I really think you are wrong |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 06:16 PM Response to Reply #100 |
104. Regardless of whether I'm right about the application to DOMA |
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NewJerseyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 06:22 PM Response to Reply #104 |
109. So, it is still more etreme than FMA? |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 06:51 PM Response to Reply #109 |
121. Yes, it is |
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NewJerseyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 07:05 PM Response to Reply #121 |
129. But, the MPA may be constitutional as well |
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liveoaktx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
13. ACLU's info-*test* vote indicates FMA can't pass House |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
16. How utterly sad |
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calico1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 04:40 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. All 5 of the Reps from my State, including the 3 |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 04:41 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Question |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 04:54 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. Vote third party if you're faced with that choice |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 04:55 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Third party just ensures a right-wing win |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 04:59 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. It doesn't matter |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:04 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. I disagree |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:06 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. It's not "gamesmanship" when it's the Constitution at stake |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:08 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Again I disagree |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:11 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. The PATRIOT Act was constitutional |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:34 PM Response to Reply #44 |
63. You are acting as if anyone will do any differently |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:40 PM Response to Reply #63 |
71. Once this technique is precedent. . . |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:43 PM Response to Reply #71 |
77. They're already going |
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liveoaktx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 04:56 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. Bad choice for me-The Dem in my almost-district voted FOR it |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:00 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Thank you |
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calico1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 07:14 PM Response to Reply #23 |
130. Yeah, that's a good point. In my State |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
19. I used to think of my repub congressman as a "moderate" |
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TeeYiYi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
42. Jim Matheson (UT) . . . |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:12 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Good |
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NewJerseyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:21 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. No, it won't |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:25 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. This isn't just a GAY issue |
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Disturbed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:27 PM Response to Reply #45 |
56. Green Party |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:29 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. If the Dem party ignores the liquidation of the constitution, we're FUCKED |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:35 PM Response to Reply #56 |
64. Lets say hypothetically that a third party candidate could win some states |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:44 PM Response to Reply #64 |
78. Suppose this vote, supported by some Democrats, becomes precedent |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:50 PM Response to Reply #78 |
89. Suppose Bush gets another 4 years |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:52 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. Nobody's calling for a vote against Kerry |
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stavka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 06:13 PM Response to Reply #56 |
102. Green Party needs to build from the bottom up - |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
49. What a complete waste of time |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:26 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. It's unclear |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:30 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. The fact that the Repubs would even open this door. . . |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:35 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. I agree |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:46 PM Response to Reply #65 |
82. It SHOULD be blatantly unConstitutional |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:49 PM Response to Reply #82 |
87. sigh |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 06:00 PM Response to Reply #87 |
97. Why should it be unconstitutional? |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 06:29 PM Response to Reply #97 |
112. Brian... |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 06:52 PM Response to Reply #112 |
122. Read what I posted |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:45 PM Response to Reply #54 |
79. Oh, it's crystal clear- |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:46 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. Tempest in a teapot, anyone? n/t |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:47 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. Only to people who don't care about their rights under the Bill of Rights |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:46 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. constitutional law |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:49 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. Suppose Congress doesn't accept the ruling? |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:56 PM Response to Reply #86 |
94. they cannot do that |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 06:01 PM Response to Reply #94 |
98. Why can't they do that? |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 06:20 PM Response to Reply #98 |
107. well... first off |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 06:21 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. I'm not so sure. . . |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:56 PM Response to Reply #83 |
95. Under your analysis |
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NewJerseyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 06:13 PM Response to Reply #83 |
101. The court can't find the bill unconstitutional |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 06:22 PM Response to Reply #101 |
110. Of course they can find it unconstitutional |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 06:31 PM Response to Reply #110 |
113. Not necessarily. . . |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 06:38 PM Response to Reply #113 |
119. Sorry |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 06:53 PM Response to Reply #119 |
123. If Congress defies the SCOTUS, there's nothing the SCOTUS can do |
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NewJerseyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 06:58 PM Response to Reply #123 |
126. True |
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NewJerseyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 06:56 PM Response to Reply #110 |
125. It isn't that simple |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 06:25 PM Response to Reply #101 |
111. That provision is void on its face |
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dusty64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
67. COCKROACHES! |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
69. Shooting yourself in the foot just isn't good politics |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:45 PM Response to Reply #69 |
80. Liquidating the Constitution is indeed a shot in the foot |
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neverborn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:49 PM Response to Original message |
88. I have TWO gay friends working for HERSETH. TRAITOR!! |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:53 PM Response to Reply #88 |
91. Herseth's not just a traitor to those gay people. |
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ibegurpard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:56 PM Response to Original message |
93. This bill should NOT have been allowed to be framed |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 06:04 PM Response to Reply #93 |
99. It's just like Hitler |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 06:15 PM Response to Reply #99 |
103. If you're right about this |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 06:33 PM Response to Reply #103 |
116. Hello? |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 06:34 PM Response to Reply #116 |
118. You're still too short-sighted |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 06:33 PM Response to Reply #103 |
117. Obviously, the Republicans are the main sponsors |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 06:45 PM Response to Reply #117 |
120. I'm sorry... I just can't agree with that |
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Brian_Expat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 06:54 PM Response to Reply #120 |
124. If we allow Democrats to vote like Republicans. . . |
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NewJerseyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 07:00 PM Response to Reply #124 |
127. Then force them out in primaries |
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