Excluding Lieberman... Who is you least Favorite non-Republican candidate?

...until you get the answer you are looking for?

this in response to a suggestion someone made in another thread.

...with this series of "polls", my eyebrows raise...I'm not voting in this one, or the other ones for that matter.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=201956&mesg_id=201956

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=194616&mesg_id=194616

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=196331&mesg_id=196331

I don't think we need the assistance in setting upon one another. Or in picking from an "ever-dwindling" list of choices for "most despised"...

How long until we see the poll posted, "Who do you hate more, Clark or Dean?" Pfft...

were based on suggestions of others.

ADD:I also seen other polls such as which republican president would you vote for? Which democrat President would you vote for? I think this person is posting "scenario" type of polls to see what the response would be.

...perhaps, I just find it irritating. Like the kid in high school, "So what would you do with a million dollars?" "If someone were holding a gun to your head and said you had to have sex with your mother or your brother, who would you choose?"

imo

(Dayton Daily News) - USA - Carol Mosely-Braun, the only African
American in the US Senate, has upset Nigerian and human rights activists
by a friendly four-day trip she made to Nigeria. During her stay in
Nigeria, she hobnobbed with General Sani Abacha, the man most
responsible for serious human rights abuses in Nigeria. She met with no
opposition or human rights leaders and when she traveled to Ogoniland,
home of Ken Saro-Wiwa, it was with the military, including the governor,
who supervised the execution of eight Ogoni activists. The trip was
condemned by Jesse Jackson, Randall Robinson, the head of TransAfrica,
and her own chief of staff, who quit over the trip. She insisted that
the trip was to pay condolences to Mrs. Abacha, who recently lost a
son. However, she didn't call on any of the families of the eight Ogoni
activists who were executed or jailed president Mashood Abiola, whose
wife was assassinated.

You have to post one with an article at DU.

Sorry, sort of on the new side here. I'll never do it again!
I put one on the IndyMedia article I posted below though.

Here's the scoop for you. Black leaders are critical of a Black politician. White politicians use such criticisms to launch thinly veiled (or not so thinly veiled) racist attacks against said Black politician, using Black critics as cover. White journalists, who by and large don't have the ear to the ground of Black politics--and yes, such things happen in Dayton, Ohio--, take press packets full of half-truths, distortions, and even outright lies, and publish them.

See my post downthread. Be sure to read to the bottom of the thread and hear the words of Jesse Jackson, Jr.

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

finished ahead in the head-to-head poll with Clark, huh? I guess to get the "right" answer, the question might need to be something like this:

If all of the other democratic candidates dropped out, and you were not allowed a write-in, and only Dean and Clark remained in the race, and Dean was dead and cyrogenically frozen, and somebody was holding a gun to your head demanding that you vote for Clark, and the ballot only had the name "Clark" on it, who would you vote for?

then I would kill any fucker that dared to point a gun at my head!

then vote for Clark?

after I unfroze him of course.

This could be very interesting. It may be that one person is stealing lots of votes from someone else. This will be very revealing. Let's do it!!!

But I guess that's impossible. All the Kerry and Clark fans will vote against Dean to get him out of the way, even if they'd vote for Dean before they'd vote for, say, Gephardt.

Let's be honest!!!

She seems like the most nice and sweet person and her position on issues is definately in line with most DUers. She can't be your least favorite based on the issues she stands for.

From wht I saw, all she did as senator was grease her pockets and pay hush money to women her boyfriend harassed.

She may be nice on the serface, but definitely not leadership material.

for those outragious claims?

And A non-partisan source:

http://www.realchange.org/moseley.htm

And no, I am not a freeper or a dittohead. Far from it.

I support Democrats, but only honest ones.

Said Mary Mitchel of the Chicago Sun Times:

"If the senator is defeated, it will not be because she did not serve
Illinois honorably. She has consistently supported legislation
affecting women and minorities as well as businessmen and farmers.
Moseley-Braun also has been a leading voice on education and
transportation issues."

If you won't be swayed by journalists and speeches and statements by elected Democrats, look at the actual record yourself.

What really are you accomplishing by repeating such slurs that you know you can't substantiate? I know why freepers and dittoheads love this kind of stuff. What's your story?

Are you forgetting all her coziness with the corrupt Nigerian fellows? Her smile doesn't excuse her past.

Senator Carol Mosely-Braun

Former Illinois Senator Carol Mosely-Braun moved into the presidential race as an opponent to the U.S. war in Iraq as well. Yet she has her own disturbing connections with the imperialist world order. As senator Mosely-Braun befriended Nigerian dictator General Sani Abacha. It was General Abacha who hanged beloved Ogoni community leader Ken Saro-Wiwa and 8 other activists in 1995 for their activities exposing the environmentally unsound practices of Shell Oil in Nigeria that are poisoning the earth and the Ogoni people. Under Abacha the average annual income of the Nigerian people fell from $1,000 in 1980 to $260 in 1995 despite the massive profits made by Shell Oil and the large Swiss bank accounts accumulated by Abacha and his cronies. While Abacha killed for Shell, Shell has now admitted that they imported guns for Abacha.

At one of Mosely-Braun’s meetings with the dictator, General Abacha used the occasion to present her with a letter endorsing Clinton in his re-election bid. Of course this was not the kind of publicity Clinton wanted, having had to try to distance himself from Abacha’s horrible human rights record with a weak set of symbolic sanctions that did not effect Nigeria’s oil exports.

The restrictions imposed by Clinton included a cut off of aid, restricted arms sales, and imposed visa restrictions on Nigerian officials. Obviously these restrictions didn’t bother Abacha who endorsed Clinton. Yet former Senator Mosely-Braun used several occasions to speak out against the restrictions that were placed on Nigeria. This issue played a large role in preventing Mosely-Braun from being re-elected to the U.S. Senate.

From IndyMedia
http://idaho.indymedia.org/news/2003/07/3265.php?theme=2

that isn't good, I am sure there is more to it then the article but you made your point.

1. There is absolutely no evidence that Braun "befriended" Sani Abacha. She befriended Nigerians, some of whom had ties to the Nigerian government, which was led by Abacha's junta. Braun attended the funeral of one Ibrahim Abacha, at which point General Sani Abacha presented her with this infamous letter. There are no other "meetings" between Sani Abacha and Braun that you can point to. That's a pretty weak connection, don't you think?

2. There were different sets of restrictions being proposed in Congress. Braun backed the ones favored by Clinton, and not the CBC. Do you really believe that they chose those sanctions out of a love for Abacha or dictatorship? Can you honestly say that those sanctions didn't have a real and positive effect for democracy in Nigeria, and back that up?

3. Braun didn't know Saro-Wiwa or his family, so why should she be dragged to his funeral?

4. What was the consensus of Nigerian expatriots, really? I'll tell you what I've heard. That she should have buzzed off, but that in the end any alleged misdeeds on her part were small potatoes next to the crimes and atrocities committed by people who held on to power after Abacha's death.

5. Did Nigerians in Illinois cost Moseley Braun the election? I hardly think so. Here's what one usenet poster was saying in regards to the election:

Political exigency requires that Moseley-braun be voted for. Although she had erred but she repented and asked for forgiveness. Like Bunmi said above, the alternative is not a better option in terms of promoting the goals and aspirations of the people in that area. When the chips are down, his opponent who is a young millionaire will also dilly-dally with an abacha for his own business aggrandizement. PLEASE VOTE FOR MOSELEY BRAUN and don't jump from fry-pan to fire by voting for the republican wasp millionaire

Regards,
Segun DAWODU, MD

6. If you take these smears against her at face value, you risk taking part in some really ugly racist politics. Be careful. Here is a mailing from Jesse Jackson Jr. that went out over soc.culture.nigerians:

The Council of Conservative Citizens has issued a call for reinforcements, asking their rank-and-file followers to support Sen. Helms in his attempt to block the nomination of Senator Carol Moseley Braun, and yesterday referring to her in their material as Carol "MOSTLY-BROWN" http://www.cofcc.org Today they call her ex-senator and welfare queen. It is clear what is at issue!

We must take the high ground and beat back the forces that Sen. Helms represents. Yesterday, presidential candidate Bill Bradley offered his voice and leadership by issuing a press release condemning Helms' efforts to single-handedly derail Braun's appointment. Click here to read Bill Bradley's statement

http://jessejacksonjr.org/issues/i102099728.html

Sadly, every Republican presidential candidate remains silent on this issue. . . .No reporter has challenged a Republican Presidential candidate to respond to Helm's confederate litmus test? Why the SILENCE?" Is silence compassionate conservatism? Are the Republican candidates afraid of loosing some conservative confederate votes in the upcoming elections? Roll call today shows the politcal gamesmanship over this issue

http://jessejacksonjr.org/issues/i102199732.html

Click here to read what "compassionate conservative" and Republican presidential contender Gov. George W. Bush had to say recently in South Carolina about the NAACP's efforts to remove the confederate flag from their capitol.

http://jessejacksonjr.org/issues/i090799668.html

ACTION ALERT: Let's get Gov. Bush on the record.
Call his campaign RIGHT NOW at 512-637-2000 -- or email gwb@georgebush.com or write P.O. Box 1902, Austin, Texas 78767-1902 to find out what his position is on the Helms/Moseley Braun "Confederate Litmus Test" controversy. DEMAND to speak to the Governor yourself or his campaign manager. There are big politics involved in making this call. Tonight I will debate this issue on CNN's CROSSFIRE 7:30p.m. et.

7. And here's Jesse Jr. talking directly to his Nigerian constituents in Illinois:

Ms. Braun's nomination will sink or swim on the basis of all of the concerns your community has raised. I was the first elected official in the U.S. Congress to oppose her trip to Nigeria. If she is granted a hearing I suspect the Nigerain American community will testify in oppostion and they should. However she may not get a hearing not on the basis of a relationship with the tyrrant but on the basis of Helm's RASCISM. I am one of your supporters I was against Babangida, Abacha and every military Junta in Nigeria. But Jesse Helms would not grant me a hearing if I did not apologize for the political forces that enslaved our people here. So the first fight is with Him on process. Because no person of color should have to bow to his rascim or apologize for their opposition to the FLAG OF SLAVERY. Then Ms. Mosley Braun must defend her own record . The Nigerian community MUST NOT JOIN HELMS or be seen with a noted rascist like HELMS ON THIS POINT and if granted the hearing--then that is the appropriate time to be for your community to be opposed and for Braun to be cross-examined. I hope this was helpful.

jessejr

8. Jesse Jackson, Jr. on final confirmation:

MOSELEY BRAUN BREEZES THROUGH HEARINGS
Statement By Congressman Jesse Jackson, Jr.
Friday, November 5, 1999

Rep. Jesse Jackson, Jr. said today, "I am pleased that Sen. Jesse Helms finally granted a hearing to former Sen. Carol Moseley Braun of Illinois on her nomination to become the new Ambassador to New Zealand. I think she acquitted herself with dignity and poise before the committee and I have every expectation that she will be confirmed in a vote on Monday.

"Sen. Moseley Braun faced a number of direct questions about trips she took to Nigeria and allegations about improprieties with regard to campaign finances. Sen. Moseley Braun answered all of the Senator's questions directly, firmly and forthrightly. Maybe now the cloud that has hovered over Sen. Moseley Braun's head for seven years will finally be removed.

"I'm glad that Sen. Helms reneged on his prior demand that Sen. Moseley Braun apologize for defeating his attempt to grant a patent for a Confederate flag to the Daughters of the Confederacy. Sen. Moseley Braun should not have apologized and she didn't. In the end, Sen. Helms didn't demand an apology and the questions he said should be raised were raised and she answered them with candor and grace," Jackson concluded. link

Wel, let's see, are Nader and Buchanan running this time?

....if he jumped in to the 2004 race. If he actually challenged Junior, I'd vote for him in the primary. And if he went with the Reform party, Libertarians, or whatever, I would do anything possible to stir up right wing anger at the Bush Fraudministration to split the right wing vote into Pat's camp :evilgrin:

that's the smartest thing I've read on this website all afternoon. You bet.

What is meant by "favorite"?

For winning/voting for, or generally 'like'? I mean, I adore Carol Moseley Braun and rate her very highly personally, but that number goes down if we're talking voting for a nominee.

That's why I can't vote here, LOL....

Pretend Braun is my favorite. If she drops out then Lieberman is the guy I vote for, if he drops out then Gephardt is the guy I am voting for, if Gephardt drops out then it's Sharpton who gets my vote. Repeat. Dean is actually my favorite candidate.

?

Any poll that cuts out a top participating primary contender, but includes a hypothetical candidate who may not even be a Democrat..is obviously biased.

I'll pick Lieberman, since I know that he is running.

I don't even have to think about that one.

The least favorite candidate vote actually gets split quite a few ways.

Edwards, even Lieberman, and Gephardt to a lesser degree, could at least use the frail excuse of "representing their constituents" when they voted to back BushWarInc, but Kerry represents one of the most liberal states in the union. His pathetic attempts to weasel out of it by saying that he "expected Bush to act differently" just makes his sellout worse.

I wouldn't vote for him for him for janitor. (No offense to janitors). Hopefully, he will just go away with his pal Lieberman.

n/t

Make it Nader, the glory hound who cost Gore the 2000 election. Yeah, we can talk about Florida recounts all day and all night, but if Nader hadn't been on the ballot, Gore wins Florida, Tennessee, Arkansas, West Virginia, and Ohio (at least) and it's a cake-walk.

He's talking about doing it again, too, which could screw up a close election AGAIN.

Can you say stiff?

...

Though if I had seen the comments before I voted and gotten the idea from them, I have to admit I would have been tempted to vote for Nader...