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redeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 10:42 AM
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DU Poll: Which party would you vote for in 2004...
...if the Congressional election were done by proportional representation?

Here, I'm assuming that each of the two major parties will split, so there will probably be the following viable parties, emphasis of probably:

- The Greens
- The Progressives, e.g. Wellstone and Feingold
- The DLC
- The Libertarian Party
- The Traditional Republicans, e.g. Snowe and McCain
- The Christian Coalition

I, and I imagine the majority of DU, would vote for the Progressives in this case; the Greens are too Luddite for me, whereas the DLC is obviously too centrist.
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RichM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 10:47 AM
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1. I support ONLY progressives like Sanders, Stark, Lee, Kucinich, etc.
I regard the other 80% of Democrats as enemies -- every bit as bad as Republicans. I think the Democrats SHOULD split, because the progressive wing has nothing to do with the rest of these troglodytes walking around with a 'D' on their uniforms.
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makeanoise Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 10:49 AM
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2. Good question
I think I can rule out Republicans and Pat Robertson.
Libertarian's aren't too bad, The DLC needs to distinguish itself more from the Republicans.

The Progressives and the Greens are the two I can relate to.
I support the Greens in local elections, City Council and both State Houses.

I know many Greens and Progressives and think they are both right on many issues, but on a national level, Progessives like Kuchnich, Dean,
I admire them.

How is Gephardt classifed by the way?
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redeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 10:57 AM
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5. Good question about Gephardt...
...he'd either stay with the DLC or start/join a socially conservative, economically liberal party, which would gain a lot of votes from Hispanics.
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 11:23 AM
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13. Gephardt is not in the DLC
anymore as far as I know - he is considered "too liberal" which of course means too pro-labor.

A socially conservative, economically liberal party - that sounds like the Democratic party before the 1960s. That's when we started becoming the socially liberal, economically conservative party we are today.
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sujan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 11:27 AM
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15. he is, their directory says so
http://www.ndol.org/new_dem_dir_action.cfm?viewAll=1
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Kamika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 10:50 AM
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3. Id have to see what they thought about different questions
But it would be libertarian or christian
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Nazgul35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 10:54 AM
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4. Yeah...cause using proportional electoral laws...
would only streamline the system by providing us with political candidates who are even more ideologically driven and less likely to cooperate in a seperation of powers, federal system of government....

Imagine a House with 27 parties, a Senate with 10 and a President who represents a party that won 17% of the votes nationwide....things would really get done im tellin ya!!!!!
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redeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 11:01 AM
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7. Uh...
...the US isn't sufficiently ideologically fragmented for 27 parties. There will probably be 7 or 8 parties in the House - that's only a hunch, though.

As for the Senate and the president, they're completely different matters. I think that both should be elected by Approval Vote, so the winner will probably have an approval rate well above 50. The Senate needs to be changed to districts of roughly equal populations (sorry Wyoming, but your population dictates that you should share Senators with Idaho and Montana and Utah), but that's beside my point.
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Nazgul35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 01:21 PM
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17. and as constitutional amendments would be needed...
for this to happen...Wyoming's gonna say sorry to your amendments, as will every small state...

Instead of wishing for proportional electoral laws, we should work within the parties that already exist....the parties are true coalition organizations made up of different interest groups...any group that choses to opt out of either party has only itself to blame....

and you have no way of knowing how many parties would emerge...and which type of proportional electoral laws are you talking about? there are many different ways for calculating how votes are turned into seats....

If wishes were fishes....
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goobergunch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 10:58 AM
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6. The progressives
Would you like me to post this as a poll for you?
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redeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 11:01 AM
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8. Yeah...
...but can you also include a populist party for economic liberals, social conservatives, like many Hispanics as well as Dick Gephardt?
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goobergunch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 01:05 PM
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16. done
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=poll_vote&poll_id=933&choice=2&forum=104&topic_id=215148
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sujan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 11:02 AM
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9. I'd vote for green
if Democrats nominate any of the war mongerers that includes Lieberman, Kerry, Gephardt and Edwards.
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redeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 11:06 AM
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11. But those will probably stay with the DLC...
...leaving Feingold, Boxer, and Barbara Lee for the Progressives (Kucinich, I imagine, would join the Greens).
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 11:06 AM
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10. DEMOCRAT. I reject your phony cathegories. Progressives
has became a facade under which Greens vie for respectability. DLC is a think tank - not a party . Also a straw man on DU. :kick:
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redeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 11:07 AM
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12. Did you read my post before you replied?
If there's proportional representation, you can bet that the New Democrats will part ways with the progressive Democrats, and that the Green party will be able to enter Congress.
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Clete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 11:26 AM
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14. I lean Green, but I am progressive by your definition.
n/t
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