Help, please

I have a friend here who is dismayed over the press coverage, re: lack of a bounce for Kerry following the convention.

could you guys please post the truth here.

I want to forward this thread to him.

Hopefully, he will join the community as well.

I'm looking for poll links, as well as news stories dispelling the media lies.

thanks in advance.

The polls of CNN can't be trusted. Zogby shows better results for Kerry. But it all ain't over till the fat lady sings

either contribute to my request, or go piss in someone else's thread.

I'm trying to provide a service to a friend here.

Bush was ahead of him with registered voters by 48 to 46% before the convention. After the Convention, Bush had dropped back to 44% and Kerry had gone up to 50%. They showed a 50% to 44% after convention. That was a +4 gain for Kerry and a -4 for Bush for a net gain of +8 points for Kerry.

Bush's grim poll numbers.
By William Saletan
Posted Tuesday, Aug. 3, 2004, at 3:48 PM PT
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Prior to the convention, Kerry's favorable rating was nine points higher than his unfavorable rating in the ABC poll. Since the convention, this margin has grown to 19 points. Bush's positive margin on the same question is just two points.
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In a CBS poll before the convention, the percentage of voters who were uneasy about Kerry's ability to handle an international crisis was 19 points higher than the percentage who were confident in his ability to handle such a crisis. After the convention, that margin of unease has shrunk to 11 points. Bush's negative margin on the same question is 12 points. In the CBS pre-convention poll, voters said by a 51-36 margin that the Democrats did not have a clear plan for the country. After the convention, they say by a 44-40 margin that the Democrats do have a clear plan.
http://slate.msn.com/id/2104745/

regarding the media distortions...
http://mediamatters.org/items/200408030010

Home page
http://mediamatters.org/

John Kerry leads Bush in latest poll
August 03, 2004 10:43 IST
Last Updated: August 03, 2004 10:51 IST
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The new poll showed Kerry has the support of 50 per cent of all registered voters, compared with 44 per cent for Bush, with independent candidate Ralph Nader at 2 per cent. On the eve of the Democrat Party convention held last week, Bush led Kerry 48 per cent to 46 per cent.
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Bush is still viewed as the stronger leader, but Kerry has managed to cut the President's advantage by more than half. Fifty per cent of all voters see Bush as the stronger leader, while 44 per cent say Kerry is.

The Democrat is also viewed as more honest and trustworthy by 47 per cent to 41 per cent.

Kerry also has a 50 to 44 per cent advantage over Bush in terms of voters who think he shares their concerns.
http://in.rediff.com/news/2004/aug/03kerry.htm

all the time, everywhere.

Watch, and see for yourself:

Stories about unions strikes tend to emphasize the cost of strikes to corporations, the inconvenience that strikes bring to consumers; and I have yet to see a union member interviewed explaining why the union is going on strike.

Stories about religious issues paint Christians as victims. Even though you hear about the persecutions of Christians by atheists and secularists (ie, you hear about senior centers that aren't going to be allowed to be led in prayer at meal time), you never hear the other side of the story.

I'm sure there are other examples that I can't think of off-hand, but it's something to keep in mind when you watch any news: What is being left out? What questions aren't even asked? And who stands to gain from these gaping holes in news stories?

John Kerry leads Bush in latest poll
August 03, 2004 10:43 IST
Last Updated: August 03, 2004 10:51 IST
<Snip>
The new poll showed Kerry has the support of 50 per cent of all registered voters, compared with 44 per cent for Bush, with independent candidate Ralph Nader at 2 per cent. On the eve of the Democrat Party convention held last week, Bush led Kerry 48 per cent to 46 per cent.
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Bush is still viewed as the stronger leader, but Kerry has managed to cut the President's advantage by more than half. Fifty per cent of all voters see Bush as the stronger leader, while 44 per cent say Kerry is.

The Democrat is also viewed as more honest and trustworthy by 47 per cent to 41 per cent.

Kerry also has a 50 to 44 per cent advantage over Bush in terms of voters who think he shares their concerns.
http://in.rediff.com/news/2004/aug/03kerry.htm

Goes into the details of the polls and why the real news is that Kerry is ahead in almost every aspect of what people want in a President. If the media were honest, it would be reporting the increases in likeability, trustworthy, cic, economy, etc. They sure reported it all a couple of months ago when Bush led.

http://www.slate.com/id/2104745/

QUOTE:
"The net result in the electoral college is that Bush is chipping away at Kerry's convention bounce, bringing Kerry's lead in the electoral college down to 76."

How can something chip away at his "bounce" if there wasn't one?

That quote is from this link:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/aug/aug04.html

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/7/25/23173/4359
WSJ
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-battleground04.html

Who Needs a Bounce?
The headlines could have read, "Voters say Kerry is 'better qualified' to be commander in chief, 52-44 percent." Or they could have said, "Bush approval rating at an all-time low." Instead, after a flurry of post-convention polls, the media all flogged the "Kerry got a weak bounce!" storyline. Never mind that the only person who was "predicting" a massive bounce was GOP pollster Mark Dowd -- for most of the media, the Democratic Convention in Boston could be written off as an abject failure. But that obscures the fact that the polls are offering some rather encouraging signs for John Kerry and the Democrats.
http://www.motherjones.com/news/dailymojo/2004/08/08_505.html


Sorry about dupe got a “Bug report id number: 28662” message.

First, see if you can to a search for TruthIsAll posts - yesterday or the day before he posted again his statistical and probablility analysis, in which he believes there is a 96+ perecent liklihood that Kerry will win the election.

Second, someone else frequently posts a very breakdown of 12-16 major polls and shows all of them. This really helps get a better perspective - what it has shown consistently for weeks is that Kerry leads in most major polls and it also showed many polls with Kerry receiving a reasonable bump after the convention.

I realize I didn't give you hard links, but I hope that helps.

:hi:

thanks.

Also the Democrats played it to nice and lost their message. We need to make sure the Republican convention doesn't get more coverage than ours did.

I don't agree we played it "too nice". It was a positive, hopeful image that was projected and the Boy king's shortcomings were well documented. Nobody had to name names for the public to "get it".

Second, the Puke convention WILL get better coverage. Count on it. The media has put all their eggs in that basket and they're going to do their best to sway voters in the way that profits them. So don't be shocked, that's all.