To counter the swiftvets.com

There's no real dirt or anything that I've found yet unlike with vietnamvets against kerry, however just one question: Did any of these guys actually serve on Kerry's boat alongside Kerry during any firefights or other combat situations?

I think I'd like to point out how Kerry's crew, the men who actually fought alongside him are supporting him, yet men who appear to have not served on Kerry's boat seem to be the ones lashing out against him.

Their reasons also seem to be based on Kerry "betraying" the troops by testifying war crimes.

Of course they never bring up the fact that Kerry's speech at that time was based on the testimonials of other soldiers not simply his own.

All of the so-called "veterans" did NOT serve on Kerry's boat at any time. EVERY living member of Kerry's crew supports him.

ON EDIT: Except for Steve Gardner (reasons noted below).

but that's probably hearsay, and/or he doesn't get to speak enough cause he's a bit touched in the head.

for shooting at a Vietnamese youngster without provocation.

All the others do support Kerry unwaveringly, and think Gardner is a bit whacked.

of boats. The Repubs try to pimp this like they were on the same boat or something and knew him personally. Some of those who did wrote favorable evaluations of JK during that time and are now part of the bashers.

Many of these people have been involved with the Repub party and specifically with Bush family member political campaigns.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200405050004

you can click on each face and discover that only ca 10% of those on his crew support him.....

....heard this on M Savage so who knows?????? I think they did give a .com address, but I didn't write it down.

They're other officers who are notoriously Republican.

NO biggie.

boats at the time and NONE of them actually served WITH Kerry and NONE of them went into combat with him, yet that is the story they are implying which makes them DISTORTERS whose audience are people who are too dumb to sort the facts out. They are deceitful operatives who scorn their audience by knowingly lying to them for their own agenda because they count on their ignorance to believe and spread their lies.

"We resent very deeply the false war crimes charges he made coming back from Vietnam in 1971"

John O'Neill, the guy on the left in this picture



If you read the quotes, they are pissed about Vietnam Veterans Against the War, rather than his performance in-country.

Their leader was hired by Nixon to counter Kerry back in the late 60's early 70's

I don't have the links but Salon has some great articles as well as one posted here from an Indy paper in Texas

to Nixon years. Just like this administration full of holdovers from old admins to dredge up a zombie like this, who has plenty of ties to bushco.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200405040004

The men who commanded Kerry hate him; the men who Kerry commanded love him.

And stop the argument right there.

You da man that's good.

Nicely put!

Thanks!

Just repeated the line in the title so it gets on the short page

:^{)

What really infuriates me is how can any vet support Bush and not Kerry. John Kerry actually fought in a war, he is a real soldier. On the other hand, Bush just like to dress up and play one on TV. This makes absolutely no sense to me. National Guard duties during the time were coveted as a way to get out of combat. John Kerry requested it!!!!

a lot of people, sadly.

That guy in that website, ONeill, is the one who gave Kerry the S.Star if I am not mistaken.

None of those men were on the swift boat with Kerry from what I am aware of and ONeill (and others in that) have been known for right-wing partisan attacks.

These people are pieces of shit who will sacrifice their fellow Vet for they ideology.

The group called Vietnam Veterans for a Just Peace is reported to have been formed by John E. O'Neill during the Nixon administration.

The Kos expended great effort to discover who O'Neill is and writes on April 22, 2004, that "We also found out that he's a partner at the Houston firm of Clements, O'Neill, Pierce, Wilson and Fulkerson. One of his co-partners is Margaret A. Wilson, who was George Bush's general counsel 1998-2000.


"Well, there's more about good ol' Margaret," the Kos continues. "She was a lawyer at Vinson & Elkins before she worked for Bush. Vinson & Elkins was Enron's main law firm -- the very firm that facilitated Enron's frauds. Vinson & Elkins was also the firm that spawned Alberto R. Gonzales -- Bush's current general counsel.

"In other words, Vinson & Elkins and COPWF are the very embodiment of the Houston good ol' boy Republican network. That this network spawn Kerry's harshest critic should be of no surprise (his career was probably made thanks to the Nixon dirty work). Thus, there should be no illusions that O'Neill is in any way an independent and impartial critic of John Kerry."

http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=John_E._O%27Neill

postings, they will continue..

Like Momma always said.. "Quit picking that scab"..

If "friends" send it to you via e-mail, just bounce it back with the following message:

"STOP SENDING THIS TRASH...EVER HEAR OF GOOGLE???"
People like that are NOT your friends, anyway..

If you see it posted HERE for the 7,235th time, just hit alert, and don't bother "refuting" it..

It's just like the " Help...my sister/brother/cousin/co-worker/mother/father/neighbor.. just sent me this ..." posts :)

It's a ploy to keep us chasing our tails and "refuting" nonsense..:):)

not only should kerry have his swift boat peers defending him, but all the VVAW members should be loud & proud about what they did & accomplished in the 70's. the biography on MSNBC i watched during the convention showed 100's of guys marching.

i don't hear anything from them. are they being ignored or are they silent?

see? http://www.vvaw.org/events/ nothing planned. they need to MAKE SOME NOISE if they're for their former leader.