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Doomsayer13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 07:40 PM
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Poll question: Most outrageous right wing lie of the last two decades?
Edited on Fri Aug-22-03 07:47 PM by Doomsayer13
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Noordam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 07:43 PM
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1. I was in Russia in 94
and I can tell you it is a third world country.

Maybe Reagan wild spending ended the cold war 1-2 year sooner, but it was going to end without the trillions Reagan spent.

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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 07:43 PM
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2. My specification for my "Other" vote
The Media has a Liberal Bias

By far that has been the single most damaging lie of the right.
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Doomsayer13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 07:46 PM
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3. good point, I forgot to include that
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ToneE Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 07:50 PM
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4. That FREE TRADE is Free
Their insistence that the so-called Free Trade Agreements are really Free Trade. Too bad Clinton and a bunch of Demos bought it too.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 07:51 PM
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5. Welfare Queen
This terrible lie has spread and become part of the public's general knowledge. It goes along the lines of repeating a lie enough until it becomes true.

It created the image of black, single, teenage mothers who have ten kids and make a killing by living off of welfare.

This is what turned many people conservative, I think.


But talk about a tough poll. All of these are terrible lies.


Another suggestion would be any of many attacks on Clinton:
Clinton is a rapist and sex offender,
Clinton stole everything from the White House
Clinton pardoned terrorists
Clinton allowed 9/11
Clinton failed to do anything about terrorism



I could go on.
But its all bullshit.


What is their most damaging lie, though?
The lie they tell every day when they pretend they give two shits about the average working man.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 07:51 PM
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6. My "other" vote is a toss between
the "rich pay more taxes and the poor and working poor don't pay any taxes" bullshit, and the myth that anyone who's poor or homeless or going through bad times financially doesn't deserve any help since it's all their own fault, they just don't "work hard enough", etc., etc. And maybe also the bullshit that those who have wealth got it from hard work and responsibility, and those who don't have wealth are lazy bums who aren't working hard enough.
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kaitykaity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 07:58 PM
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7. "George W. Bush is our Duly Elected President

who won legitimately fair and square according to
the rules that were in place at the time of the
election."

:puke::puke::puke:
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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 08:01 PM
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9. mY THOUGHTS EXACTLY
:hi:
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yowzayowzayowza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 11:50 PM
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23. "The votes have been counted, counted and recounted."
Other!
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 08:00 PM
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8. Reagan had advanced Alzheimer’s disease during his entire last term
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annak110 Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 11:56 PM
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24. Yup, and the Knights of Malta (SMOM) including Joseph Coors
and J. Peter Grace ran the office and were Raygun's keepers.

The * keepers are Opus Dei.
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AnnabelLee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 08:02 PM
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10. All of them are outrageous
& some other equally outrageous ones have been listed in this thread, but I had to go with Iraqi imminent threat/weapons of mass destruction, simply because that lie has caused (& will continue to cause) so many deaths.:-(
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 08:04 PM
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11. For sheer bloody-mindeness...
...they'll never top the Reagan-era 'Hey, homelessness is a life-style choice. Some folks like the perks that come with homelessness."

Why no "I have in my hand a list of Communists in the State Department".

That was the serpent's egg.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 08:38 PM
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12. And...
... ketchup is a vegetable....
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Doomsayer13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 01:18 AM
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25. ah, I was thinking about doing the whole century
but that's far too many lies to put in one poll. Or else Joe McCarthey's big lie would be numero uno.
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are_we_united_yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 08:42 PM
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13. In case freeper lurkers are around
Imminent (sp) I think
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eileen from OH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 09:54 PM
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14. Debate with Gore. . .
Bush (paraphrase): I will approach foreign policy with humility.

I was never a Bush supporter, I did not vote for him, I thought he was a total dweeb and thought he stole the election.

But, during the debates, this line impressed me. Throughout the Florida debacle, when I gnashed my teeth along with every other Dem, the only thing that gave me hope for our country was that if Bush were elected he had used That Word to describe how we must approach foreign policy.

To me the biggest lie is Bush's biggest lie (and God knows he's told some major league whopper) after 9/11. The world had changed. The country had changed. But what had not changed was that humility wins allies and arrogance does not. Had he clung to that principal and engaged the world on 9/12 and asked for help, they would have given him anything. They were ready to give (remember the French papers -"today, we are all Americans" and the candlelight vigils held all over the world?) He pissed that away faster than you can say "axis of evil".

He abandoned humility when humility would have the most globally potent weapon we could have had. Instead, he chose hubris and bravado and alienation. It revealed what a little, little, little man he is. It showed how easily he could discard humility, the most powerful arrow in his quiver, when that trait could have unified the world against terrorism.

So, that was the biggest lie.


eileeen from OH
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drscm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 10:19 PM
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19. Amen!
Bush prides himself on the fact that he quit drinking all on his own without the help of any twelve-step program. In fact, he made fun of Ann Richard's commitment to AA when he ran against her for governor.

However, Bush's pride is a false egocentric pride.

This man has no concept of the word humility. Someone must have fed him that word that day. I do not believe he even knows what it means.

If he truly believed in humility, he would not make fun of those in recovery programs, because we who are addicts recognize that humility is the first step of many in our recovery.

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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 09:59 PM
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15. The poor don't pay taxes
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Ivory_Tower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 10:02 PM
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16. "There are simple answers"
I think that was in Reagan's 1980 acceptance speech at the convention.

It got the ball rolling, or at least gave it a good push.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 10:05 PM
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17. The mantra constantly repeated by and for the Republican sheep:
"Private good, public bad."

That's private anything, public anything.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 10:07 PM
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18. All of the above!
:grr: :mad: :grr:
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Isome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 10:31 PM
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20. Reagan won the cold war... the audacity!
These people are shameless and ignorant beyond belief.

But, if we're talking about the most damaging lie, I'd have to say it's absurd assertion that "market forces" will cure all societal ills and that our country has a "free market" economy.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 10:54 PM
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21. Other: most outrageous lie perpetrated by the right-wing
that Democrats should emulate them to get votes
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burr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-22-03 11:13 PM
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22. Reagan winning the Cold War...
Edited on Fri Aug-22-03 11:15 PM by burr
Nobody won the cold war..it was a loss for Russia, a loss for us, and a loss for all the nations dominated by the two controlling powers. Truman did not win it, but neither did Reagan or Bush.

I did not include other vile lies, because unfortunately, many of them have bipartison followers. Especially the lies about Iraq having WMD, Reaganomics being a sucess, and the "welfare queens"...which is a lie still being spread by both parties today!
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 01:05 PM
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26. Your lie #1
Should read "That Al Gore Claimed to invent the Internet", which he never did.

But the big lie is the Liberal Media.
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burr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 01:23 PM
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27. America's free press...
Gore inventing the internet...
nothing big happening in Iraq, US...just there to clean up the UN mess!
Shrub plans to cure Aids in Africa!

extra extra!...shit all about it. :hurts:


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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 01:37 PM
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28. Just one choice?
Conservatives are fiscally responsible.

But some notable exceptions...
Liberals are soft on terror.
Acceptance of gays destroys empires.
Tax and Spend liberals.
The president is not above the law (unless he's a Republican)
Liberals hate America.
Free markets are the answer to all of our problems
Trickle down economics works better than the New Deal.
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Ein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 01:43 PM
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29. Other...
That they aren't all a bunch of lying assholes.

I'd vote the liberal media deal next.
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Lone_Wolf_Moderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 01:44 PM
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30. Yeah, the liberal media bias nonsense is the lie of the decade,
but the mythos about the Conservative Emperor Reagan comes pretty darn close. I tell you, the obsessive hero worship is mind-boggling. I think its a requirement to be a prominent Republican nowadays to offer up your soul as a sacrifice to Reagan. Perhaps I'm being melodramatic, but have you ever sen Peggy Noonan space out when talking about Reagan?
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 01:53 PM
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31. Every lie
about 9/11
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 01:56 PM
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32. "Reagan was a great president"
sorta says it all for me. The blindness, the lying, the delusion, the false leaders ......
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 02:20 PM
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33. "God is on our side"
a multi-faceted lie
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