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CaTeacher Donating Member (983 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 07:07 PM
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J-1 Visas?
I just caught a portion of a news brief and it was talking about changes to the J-1 visa program. It sounded as though this visa category was going to be eliminated in Jan 2005? Does anyone know anything about this?

I want to know what is going on--if this is true, we need to mobilize people to fight against this change.

The J-1 program is a very important way to enable bright professionals to come to our country for training--it would be a shame if this program is discontinued because of people's paranoia about "terra".
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 07:13 PM
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1. hi-tech worker low pay visas (hb something) still in place
that was always a sham. WOuld be sorry if they were eliminating the visa's you refer to - but keeping the 'keep americans who require market wages out of jobs because the businesses want the cheaper labor' program.
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CaTeacher Donating Member (983 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 07:17 PM
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2. but, some people come here to
get a master's degree or a phd on the J-1 visa. What about them? (I assume some of these do not qualify for the regular student visa.)
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 07:45 PM
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3. after reading a site of a guy running for office in florida...it seems
this are not good for american worker... I don't remember the guys name but my understanding.

Since h1b visas were cut, companies were using these j1 visas as a back door to do the same thing. They bring people from other countries here, we train them....then they and the job goes to another country... just another way to do outsourcing while getting training before laying off the american worker....
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lanparty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 01:39 AM
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6. There is no need ...
...

The L-Z1 Visa allows Tata to import AS MANY PEOPLE as it wants. Then Tata just takes outsourcing contracts and sends their people into their client's shops.

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lottie244 Donating Member (903 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 10:06 PM
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4. Also brings well-to-do oligarch into the country without having to pass
stringent clearances. They become citizens without a glitch. It's a back-door immigration avenue. Contrary to popular opinion, these people are often not the "bright and shining professionals" they are touted as but scheming, lying, rich folks who come here and instantly gain benefits that most of us here at DU would never be able to achieve no matter how intilligent, hard-working, honest, and patriotic we may be.
I have seen this program close up and it isn't what they tell you. Introduces more arrogant, privileged, snobs than we need in this country. There may be a few bright stars and good citizens among them but not many. A lot of the scientists are out and out frauds who live off the largess of the public coffer, receiving funding for some pretty bogus research projects.
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CaTeacher Donating Member (983 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-07-04 10:23 PM
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5. you may have a point there,
only person that I personally know (who is here on a J-1) is a wealthy and privileged person--so I guess I will not waste more time worrying about him (this particular person can certainly take care of himself--and hire a good immigration lawyer if need be).

I just was worried that some folks without money and privilege may be negatively affected...
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lanparty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 01:44 AM
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7. As long as there are 150,000 unemployed computer/electrical engineers ...
... UNEMPLOYED in this country, we don't need a single fucking one of these h-1bs, L-z1s or ANY OTHER non-immigrant Visa!!!!!! In fact, I'd very much like to send A LOT of them home.

We are in the process of over-educating our country for fewer and fewer high-tech jobs. In the near future, EVERY degree will be the equivalent of undergraduate psych, English Literature, or General Studies.

The word is out that you can educate subjucated and oppressed peoples just as easy as free peoples. In fact, it's EASIER to educate a subjugated person since command societies without real civil rights tend to amplify the punishment system for ANY failure.

We have to END WTO/NAFTA as soon as possible. If not, we will be at the mercy of countries like China who will control all the goods and services we rely on to sustain our way of life.

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CaTeacher Donating Member (983 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 01:55 AM
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8. well----I still like the idea of
bright people coming here--they get a chance to experience our country--and it also enables Americans to experience diversity.

I know that I was exposed to many different cultures in college--I am very glad that I was able to know these wonderful people and expand my horizons. It changed my beliefs and made me more liberal.
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ProfLefty Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 04:52 AM
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10. As a professional educator
I am fully aware of the value that these students bring not only to our college campuses...but after graduation to our society as many of them stay and become citizens. These are individuals who for the most part fill crucially important roles in our social fabric and make vitally important contributions to our nation's advancements in science and technology as well as, helping our economy immensely.
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-08-04 04:11 AM
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9. Well said. (n/t)
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