High ranking Dems already rolling over for Goss

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Rep. Goss Nominated to Lead Embattled CIA


By TERENCE HUNT, AP White House Correspondent

WASHINGTON - President Bush (news - web sites) on Tuesday nominated Rep. Porter Goss (news, bio, voting record) of Florida to head the CIA (news - web sites) amid terror and tumult, saying the former undercover operative "knows the CIA inside and out" and can bolster its spy network.


Bush said he expected that Goss would garner support "on both sides of the aisle" at the Capitol during the confirmation process.


"He's a fine man and the fact that he's a Republican congressman doesn't bother me," said Sen. Charles Schumer D-N.Y.

Living in a dream world.

The same dream world the German Social Democrats of 1933 lived in.

Until reality jolted them out of the fantasy.

Some things never seem to change much.

...Democrats will bitch and moan and complain that Goss is partisan and then promptly fall in line and vote for the CIA's version of Ashcroft.

- We're going to have to quickly rebuild the Democratic party or suffer the same fate as those in Germany who gave Hitler everything he wanted.

Sorry that is the reality. Anyone who puts up a fight over a new CIA CHIEF when WE ARE IN SO MUCH DANGER might as well put their DC home on the market.

Sad to say but that is the political reality.

ON EDIT-Some are pretty much outside of the political side wffects (Byed in WV for instance) and could fight this....but probably won't.,

The people want someone who deserves the post and can be neutral. I think there will be a backlash on this. I think a majority of Americans don't want a partisan hack in the CIA

The Dems aren't going to make a politically-risky move in an election year without knowing they have the backing of their constituents.

Dammit, I'm so sick of people complaining that the Dems aren't their knights in shining armor, and using that as an excuse not to do anything themselves.

I just want them to call a spade a spade. How is that politically risky? I think the Dems should put the onus on Bush for once. I will be letting my Senators know how I feel (I have Nickles and Inhofe). Obviously that will do me no good but as long as we're in the minority in congress we need to speak louder than we are.

in this thread? I heard Roberts say the pick should be nonpolitical myself, and also Jay Rockefeller, I think --

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2188607#2189028

if Schumer has no problem with him, then there are surely more Democrats who feel the same, making his confirmation a lock

n/t

Why fight this...there is no political upside to it at all. It will only take attention away from Bush and his failures and place it squarely on the Democratic opposition. I say let him go through, and when Kerry gets into office he can appoint whomever he wants.

This fight is a loser for us right now

This fight is a loser for elected Dems. NO fight is a loser for US, if we think it's worthy enough.

Right now their interest and ours coincides...we can't do anything to derail Kerry's momentum. Fighting this would do it. I'd rather have three months of Porter Goss as CIA director and Kerry as President, than no Goss and another Bush term.

Wouldn't this make it very difficult for a President Kerry to replace a newly appointed Goss?

I think they are like any other executive department appointee and serve at the pleaseure of the President...but if I'm wrong...then that does change things

But it may be politically difficult to fire a newly appointed CIA director post 9-11. I think the Democrats are wise to insist that they want to know how Goss would stand on the 9-11 recommendations.

http://www.cia.gov/dci/public_affairs/faq.html#2

Serves at the pleasure of the President

investigation...??? so is that dead for the election now..??

Special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald is in charge of that.

and that Democrats would cave on him. Said he is tied into Cheney/Rove so tight that this would mean Bushies could claim it was ALL "intelligence failure" that led Admin and Congress into war on Iraq. Let's everyone off the hook and blames it on CIA.

Will Tom Daschle fight this? No, according to McGovern. :shrug:

I fucking hate our so called "leadership." Spineless fucks!

I think Michael Moore knew that Goss was the heir apparent for the CIA post.

Now, let's just see if Kerry has the balls to kick his ass out of there after the election or pushes to have the post named after the election...my bet is NO on both counts.

This bullshit is EXACTLY why the Repukes win and we lose.

JB

The Democrats will be nice to Goss because the election is three months away. They do not want to give Bush any political ammunition this close to the election. If the Democrats oppose him Bush will say that they are being political and putting the saftey of the country second to their policical motivations. He can then say the behavior of the Democrats shows why people should vote for Republicans and give him a Congress he can work with. I think everyone knows how well this worked in the 2002 election cycle. In addition, if the Democrats do not like Goss they can just wait until Kerry is elected and push him to remove Goss in favor of someone they actually like.

If the democrats stand up NOW and fight this, it will make Shrub look bad for putting such a stooge up for the post. Rove knows however that Dem leadership in the Senate is all talk and no action and will again happily be walked over. I guarantee you that if Kerry nominated Richard Clarke or Henry Waxman for the position, the pukes wouldn't stand by and take it up the keester!

how many times do these people have to be smacked over the head with a blunt object before they do something about it. just another case of democrats without spine. disgusting

doncha know? :puke:

He whitewashed the senate 911 report

He "saw no reason" to investigate the Plame outing.

He had BREAKFAST with the Pakistani ISI Guy on 911.

He lies in Fahreheit 911 (the fake 800 number )

He was apparently involved in IranContra

Watch al the other Sharon/Israel supporters in Congress line up like good little robots, like they have so many times before.

He's a fine man and... blah, blah, blah.

If and when Clarence Thomas is nominated for Chief Justice, I expect to hear the same thing.

Do you want a John Ashcroft in the FBI and a CLONE of him in the CIA?

C'mon people, let's get organized.

Write your paper and call your congresspeople. Call mine too! :)

Most Dems are such pussies. If this was Clinton doing it Trent Lott and crew would be blasting him to no end. Again no backbone Dems. When does it stop?

how some DUers believe Bush* when he says the Dems will vote for Goss.

After all, these are virtually the same spineless Dems that rolled over for Bush on the IWR, the Patriot Act, Homeland Security, NCLB, and on and on and on ad nauseum. Why do you think that they would change now?

Oh the joys of living under a two party/same corporate master system of government:eyes:

not be a quick thing....said that the Dems are gearing up for a battle and it could take a few months. Why? Because Goss who knows the CIA and also chaired the oversight committee never did anything toward making reforms, which is what the push is for now....they will question how he can possibly be the one to do things that should be done.....The interviewee said the agency needs a "cranky old general" who is willing to shake things up from top to bottom and won't care about the fallout.

I don't know who this person was, but he was from DC...this was on the morning News Hour, so it's probably already archived.


Originally, when the name was floated, we heard a lot about not wanting a political appointee...So, we'll have to see if the commentator is correct and if the Dems actually do fight as he's predicting....

Unfortunately, I can't contact my Congressman because numbnutz Goss IS my Congressman. Guess I'll only be able to contact my Senators.

do you think will go on after elections?

My Crossfire e-mail:

In the Crossfire… you might want to stop sending in your resumes for the CIA director post - the president has picked his candidate. But the Senate will have to approve the nomination when it returns in September and House Intelligence Committee Chairman Porter Goss might just ignite partisan fireworks. Is Bush asking for a floor fight? Is Goss too political for a post 9/11 agency? Why did the president name Goss in the face of warnings that a political nominee would set up a showdown? Has Bush cut the legs out from under the acting director to make any reforms over the next month? And what impact will Goss's nomination have on the presidential campaign trail?

They roll when Bush says roll.

That's our party in its current state.

It will take years to get rid of these cowards and replace them with some read fighting Democrats.

Getting Kerry elected is just the first step in a long battle to fix the Democratic Party.