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Ignoramus Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 05:56 PM
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Hypothetical Trojan Horse scenario (please note that I'm voting for Kerry)
First, note that I'm voting for Kerry. Did I mention that I'm voting for Kerry?

Next, a few words about the question I'm about to ask. It was a warm summer night when this question first came to me. Ah how I remember it well. Note that it is about a hypothetical scenario, proposed for the purpose of asking a question.

Also, this is not a rhetorical question. In other words, say this question were the question "Is it a little hot in here?", it would not be accusing you of making it hot, it would actually be asking if it is a little hot in here.

The hypothetical scenario and question:

If there were a situation where a group of people wanted political power in order to maintain a system in which a group of people profits off the misery of (let me interrupt this sentence to remind you that I'm voting for Kerry) another group of people, what if they were to prop up seemingly opposed figureheads to act as opponents in an election for president. Say, a good cop/bad cop scenario (please allow me to remind you that I'm voting for Kerry).

The idea would be that one side would more or less directly try to convince people that they should support the system that is really trying to be maintained. The other side (all right, all right, I"m voting for Kerry already, okay?) would act as a Trojan Horse, giving as few concessions as feasible, to draw the opposition closer and closer to the position of the opponent until they end up arguing against their own principles, rabidly attacking anyone who dares to advance any critical ideas and become disorganized and immobilized.

In what way, would that hypothetical good cop act differently than Kerry?

I feel that I should remind you here that I'm voting for Kerry, that this is a hypothetical scenario, and it's also not a rhetorical question.


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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 05:57 PM
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1. Its an interesting scenario, but reality isnt so poetic.
Take out the concept of conspiritorial control.
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 05:58 PM
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2. Who are you voting for,again?
:)
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Worst Username Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 06:04 PM
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6. Duh, can't you read? He said Nader.
:-)
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 06:01 PM
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3. You're not supposed to think this deeply.
Repeat after me..... "Hope is on the way".

Kanary
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 06:02 PM
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5. thats not really that deep a thought
Edited on Tue Aug-10-04 06:02 PM by K-W
If you want to think deep you have to see how the system produces the illusion of a conspiracy.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 06:02 PM
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4. You'd have to erase Kerry's record of the last 35 yrs to make it plausible
It seems too many forget that it was Kerry who investigated and exposed BCCI and IranContra and pursued it for over 6 years while the entire DC powerstructure railed against him.

If there was ANYTHING the power brokers wanted kept hidden it would be BCCI.
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Hornito Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 06:09 PM
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10. This is true, but did any of the criminals involved in these crimes
go to prison? NO. Bush-I pardoned the lot, and I am not sure any of the BCCI folks even went to trial.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 06:28 PM
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12. Yes. When the feds wouldn't prosecute, Kerry sent it to Morgenthau
Edited on Tue Aug-10-04 06:28 PM by blm
the state Attorney General in NY to prosecute on state charges.

BTW, had any of those indictments of the pardoned gone to trial, the whole BFEE would have been made public. Poppy Bush saved his own ass and those of his cronies when he pardoned all those indicted.
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ItsMyParty Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 06:06 PM
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7. Trojan--may I say something that is not "hypothetical"???
This shit has been going on for decades. Once you accept that fact, it gets easier. Where is the difference? Easy, baby.....if by some chance the dumb electorate votes the Trojan Horse into office, the Horse has to throw some crumbs to the dumb electorate to keep his horse's ass in power. When the guy other than the Trojan Horse wins, he doesn't have to throw the dumb electorate squat. The ideas is to keep the Horse in power and enjoy the crumbs.
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Hornito Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 06:06 PM
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8. I have thought the same, often, especially after the 2000 vote
debacle, where the Dems laid down, and even more so after 9/11, and the invasion, where a majority of Dems again acquiesced to Bush's demands.

Now mind you, I too am voting for Kerry, and have voted Dem for over 35 years, but still, somewhere deep in the back of my mind, something still smells about all of the events from Nov. 2000 forward, and I just can't shake it.

Funny thing is, I know I am not alone in these thoughts either....
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 06:06 PM
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9. say hello to the DLC
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 06:09 PM
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11. If there was/is no difference between Tweedledum and Tweedledee
Why was the entrenched power structure so threatened by Bill Clinton, and why did they expend so much energy trying to bring him down?

If it's a false choice, tell it to the entrenched interests and mega-corporate bigwigs who have contributed, what, a trillion dollars, now, to Bush's campaign coffers... Are they just perpetuating an illusion?

The scenario you describe is not attributable to any nefarious conspiracy, but rather to the fact that we have an outdated electoral system that grants higher weight, proportionally, to the votes of folks in the sticks --who tend to skew conservative-- and as such, any democrat who wants to win needs to run towards the center. Unfortunately, Bush has proven that he can give the finger to the center, and run to the right of Mussolini, because us librul folks in Cal-ee-for-ni-ay aren't gonna vote for that fuckwit, no matter what.

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