Is Nuking N. Korea a Legitimate Option

according to the neoCONs?

I mean if they expand to nukes-R-us while we're in iraq-afghanistan-IRAN(?) or invades the south esentially becomes more of a threat than they already r, thanks to the neoCON diplomacy or if we decide

what's DU think :shrug:

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BTW: if you said no what makes you think they will hold back considering our new neoCON foreign policy and active interest in nukes... MINInukes :crazy:

...nuclear weapons must be banned.

The Chinese may get scared and nuke back.

what are we trying to do? Kill everyone on the planet?

I don't think we should even talk about "nuking" people. The horror we inflicted on Japan is one of the darkest spots on our history. We had better NEVER EVER do this to anyone again EVER.

but as you know if we don't talk about it we FORGET.

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People in ALL surrounding nations would die due to fallout. What do you think china would do upon seeing part of its nation die overnight?

Nuclear weapons are not toys to be thrown around.

if it wasn't my own poll ;-)

but i do believe that the neoCONs will view it as a legitamite option even if they aren't caught doing anything cept being secretive.

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BTW: i also agree 200% with your post as well :hi:

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won't want that to happen anywhere else, because 90% of those skulls, no doubt, belonged to innocent civillians.

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I'm sorry man. I'm not very familiar with Americanisms... What did you mean by "good thing i ain't got the football"?

the President to start a nuclear response, like launch the Icy BMs or ICBMs (as opposed to bowel movements).

like this...We had enough of this...many of us. But, some seem to want to bring it back as if America needs to have an enemy to exist.

It's sick...No...there's no-one we should use nukes on just because we have them...and I wish to hell we didn't have them. :nuke:

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the ones misrepresenting the Soviet threat so the arms race'd heat up.

No. The political and military costs would be too high. Nobody wants to start a war on the Korean Peninsula.

But it was policy thru-out the 80's and early 90's to keep artillery fired tactical nukes in South Korea in case the North invaded. Those are off the penisula now, but air deliverable tactical nukes are still positioned within easy striking distance of Korea. The theory was that the North had so many more troops and armor they could put us in a position where the US and ROK armies were about to be pushed off the peninsula before we could bring enough force to bear. That could still conceivably occur, and I could see tactical nukes being used in that situation to break up armor formations and the new "mini-nukes" being used on hardened sites.

and as you pointed out we are ready for it and they ain't decorations...

i think this regime may think the world needs another SHOCK-n-AWE to get them to fall in line and N. Korea is the PERFECT 'PATSY' from their point of view.

remember PNAC and everything that has transpired since begining with the STOLEN ELECTION and continuing with the illegal invasion of IRAQ.

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yikes! what scary days are these

D'oh! :scared:

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drop the bomb

but what other country?

i think they'll make us do it ourselves.

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please don't let John Howard get any ideas, the conservative oldbastard would probably give Bush a gobbie if he thought it'd up his profile as pro Republican, nuking some commie asians probably wouldn't be all that traumatic to his conscience - 10,000 dead iraqi's havn't been anyway!

Absoultely NOT!

I voted "are you nuts"? bscause it's a crazy idea for the repukes and "morans" to be even thinking this.

The repukes ARE that crazy!

I am THAT scared for all our safety every second that bunch is ihn control.

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Check out this hilarious Mark Fiore cartoon about the new bunker busters (RNEPs):

Mark Fiore: "Fahrenheit 200,000,000." Hosted by Buster, the friendly nuke:
http://www.markfiore.com/animation/nukes.html

"Bring your sunscreen. Hoo hoo hoo!"

thanks :hi:

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By the way, where did you get the pic of Brig. Gen. Jack D. Ripper w/Group Captain Lionel Mandrake? Are there other pics from the movie?

a netizine sent it to me when i used that moment to describe my state of mind after bush stole the election, and i never found out where she got it from, sorry, but i betcha goggle will have some :hi:

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I've seen every one in the gallery, even the ones that have invisible titles as you scroll down. If you go all the way down and click on the last empty space, you'll see his first cartoon... he has really come a long way!

Are nukes terrible weapons? Of course. Should we be eager to use them? Of course not. But I don't think we can or should oversimplify the issue that way. The question you asked is whether nuking North Korea a legitimate option. Part of what has kept the Korea peninsula a peaceable place is the US maintaining a credible deterrent against North Korea's pretty blatent aggressiveness.

I don't like land mines, either. In fact, land mines kill a lot more innocent people each year than nukes do. But because North Korea maintains such a huge number of troops on its southern border and keeps them in such a hostile posture, keeping those land mines there helps to deter them from invading, which would otherwise be a hell of an effective way for Kim Il-Jong to distract his country from the rat trap that his dynasty has turned North Korea into.

Now there are painfully slow ways to constructively engage North Korea and move them toward being less of a threat and less of a sponsor of world terrorism. I think we should do that too. Clinton's policy toward North Korea, while not producing any stunning overnight successes, was working in the big picture. The Bush administration, having exhausted most of its "insane options" has been gradually drifting back toward the Clinton policy.

The willingness to use nukes to deter the North Korean army (and the target would be their invading armies, not civilian targets per se) is part of an overall effective policy toward this pisspoor bully. It's aggrivatingly slow, but it's better than war.

just imagined if we set 1 percent off compared with how many landmines go off a year.

do you know the last time N. Korea was making nukes?

41

but there wasn't any stunning success in the sinshine policy in the between time since we got these kooks :crazy:

but thats what we got to wrestle with these days and since our 'media' wont ever touch on serious issues such as these we must ingage them online ourselves.

btw: everyone loses if we ever resort to nukes again.

"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." Albert Einstein

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God willing, we will prevail in peace and freedom from fear and in true health through the purity and essence of our natural fluids!

And the Universe will be a much safer place.

It is why we can never open that pandora's box.

of our foreign policy (thanks to our (p)resident), China and Russia would have no choice but to nuke us as a "preemptive" strike.

and France and Israel, and India and Pakistan and ....
Now who sold submarines to N. Korea and how? Who sold stuff to Pakistan and how (or through whom)? etc.
The only reason the U$ would nuke NK is for weapons testing. How will the world react to another weapons testing a la Hiroshima, Nagasaki?
Nuclear winter would cure hothouse gases. The cockroaches will survive, will miss Twinkies created by humans. Cockroach diabetes will drop to zilch.

"The temperature of a nuclear explosion reaches into the millions of degrees. "Little Boy," exploded 1,000 feet (300 meters) above Hiroshima, caused the surface temperature to jump to well over 5,000 degrees almost instantly. Citizens more than two miles (3 kilometers) from the blast were burned.

The force of the explosion annihilated everything within more than a mile of the center. Photographs were taken showing where "shadows" had been burned into concrete walls; the humans who were the sources of the shadows had been completely vaporized.

It has been estimated that nearly 60 percent of the population of Hiroshima died either instantly or within a few weeks. Many more died later. Even today, more than forty years after explosion, the effects are still showing up. The children of the survivors continue to carry the "radioactive plague."

Yet "Little Boy" was very small compared to the warheads presently available."

according to the neoCONs :scared:

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Not before, though.

What if they're taking good Germans' jobs, or poisoning the purity of the Aryan race?

it was.

exactly.

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I'm not sure of your question. But, yes, I definitely think nuking NKorea is an option to them. I don't think it's a good idea, but I don't think the neocons do alot of long term thinking.

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we could probably win against North Korea with a nuclear first strike if we knew where thier nukes were.

However China would likely still fuck up the West Coast.

Please describe the fruits of victory.