One of the things we easily forget is that Islamic countries have

aided and abetted terrorism against the so called infidel countries
like Israel, India and US for many years.This has clearly created a solid public support in this country for massive retaliation against Islamic countries without regard to who or what country was involved in a specific act.This is why we do not hear very much of an opposing view when Iraq was invaded against all evidence.We need to keep this in mind when we attack Kerry for supporting the IWR.

That their isnt an election for US President in 3 months ....

Yes: some 'attack' Kerry here, but it is relatively rare, and perhaps we should focus instead on attacking Bush and the GOP ? ...

Islamic countries have "aided and abetted terrorism against ...Israel, India, and US" I guess for no good reason? Israel, India and the US, of course are peace-loving, tolerant nations that have never aided and abetted tyranny over any Islamic nation or people?

but it is a completely one sided set of statements. A few "Islamic states" have abetted terrorism, but they have done so for narrow, self-interested reasons, not the religious ones your post implies, and not without pretty gross provocation. Your post ignores the chicken-and-egg aspect of M.E. relations, and lays all the blame on one side -- the Islamic one. That attitude is what caused this mess in the first place. I think I know what you're trying to say, but it comes out pretty poorly the way you actually say it.

of infidels to their deaths is clearly a religiously propelled act.This has been carried out against Israel mostly by Palestinians because infiltrators from other Islamic nations do not have easy access to Israel any more;but, in India's Kashmir state,many Arabs and Chechens have been among the terrorists despite the fact India has never had any dealings with the Arab or Chechens.This is purely a religiously motivated terrorist act.Similarly, I am sure many terrorits against the US come from a cross section of Islamic countries.This is what I meant to say when I stated that Americans do not want our government to make any distinctions between Iraq, saudi Arabia or Syria or Iran.They know they are in the gunsights of all these countries.

I'm simply going to point out that you started by claiming Islamic states support terrorism against western nations for religious reasons; now you are talking about individuals. I hope you can see where the problem lies with your original post; the problems with this second one are too complex to deal with here.

religious schools called Madrassas in countries like Pakistan for many years with the express purpose of producing martyrs.This does two things; it conceals their involvement as states involved in terrorism so that they can conduct proxy wars against infidels.The individuals are happy to do their part because, Islam, as a religion ennobles such people.

To make a long story short,yes, individuals carry out terrorist acts;but they do have state sponsors.This state sponsored terrorism has now entered the atomic age with Pakistan sharing its nuclear knowhow with other Islamic states and calling this the Islamic Bomb as opposed to the bombs possessed by the infidel nations of India and Israel.

It isn't just the Middle Eastern countries that have been financing religious schools and terrorists. The US has also funded Islamic fundementalism when it has suited our needs. Just one example is Wahabism, a radical, militant RW Islamic sect. In fact these folks were so out there that the Saudi family didn't touch them for a long while. And no wonder, being as their main leader hated the Saudis with a passion. His name is Osama bin Laden.

From Islamic to Colonist, and you pretty much have the script for what the British were saying about the American Revolution. Yes, our forefathers were criticized for "terrorist" attacks, not fighting fairly, being religiously motivated(if you don't believe me, go read up on your American history, specifically about the locale known as the Burnt Over District), and the targeting of civilians. OH NO, THE US WAS BORN OUT OF TERRORIST ACTIONS!!!

Terrorism is the way a group of people fight a war when they are outmatched militarily, both in money and arms. It is how you fight a war on the cheap. And depending upon your outlook, the combatants or either terrorists or, as in our own case, the Founding Fathers. Or as Reagan said vis a vis the mujahadeen, freedom fighters, or twenty years later, terrorists. Or as the Irish put it, martyrs vs the British outlook, terrorists.

It all depends upon your point of view. Yes, the Palestinians send suicide bombers into Israel to target civilians. To the Israelis, these are terrorists. To much of the rest of the ME, these people are heroes and martyrs. Why, because the long memories of the ME remember the atrocities committed by the Israelis, both in the past and ongoing. Osama bin Laden is condemned as a terrorist here in the US, yet just twenty years ago, he was lauded as a Freedom Fighter, by some of the very people who condemn him today. What's changed? Well, first of all, after bin Laden and his fellow mujahadeen drove back the Russians fighting the last Cold War proxy war for the US, they were expecting some help from the US. After all, they had sacrificed their country and lives to benefit the Americans. Yet we turned our back on them. Understandably, they were pissed, and started plotting against us. Gee, wouldn't it have been easier and less costly, both in lives and money, if we had aided these "freedom fighters" back when they needed it?

Your type of bipolar thinking, without regards to the past, is one of the major obstacles to America getting along with the rest of the world. Friend or terrorist, with us or against us, this simplistic mindset is not conducive to making our way in a many shaded, nuanced world. It is also part of what made us the most feared and hated nation on the face of the planet. I would suggest that you educate yourself to the real, unbiased state of affairs and history of the world. Then perhaps you will understand how we got where we are.

mind are going to listen to any long dissertations on our own transgressions when many Americans and our allies are killed by what they consider religiously inspired terrorism. Whether you and I as DUers agree with this is immaterial.Unless we and John Kerry find a way to deal with this fear ( again, whether true or false) we will lose in November and forfeit another opportunity to start a slow and tedious process of weaning this country away from military solutions to problems that need to be settled by negotiations and goodwill.

And one that needs to be addressed. Perhaps we should start spoon feeding it to them on Fox, just like they spoon fed us the fear and loathing over the past twenty years. Gotta start somewhere, and just because the job is hard is no excuse to not do it. Sad to say, the corporate masters behind Kerry have a vested interest in keeping this fear level high, so once again, nothing will be done. Therefore, it is up to you, me and other intelligent individuals to spread the word.

Take the Cross against the vile Saracen.

Or eat a cheeseburger--your brain isn't getting enough nourishment.

Muslim countries for many, many years. I keep this in mind all the time as I am wary of Kerry

Israel has been brought about by the powerlessness of the Palestinians.One can also make a case that the terrorism in India's
Kashmir State has been brought about by the perception that the Hindus
dominate that State even though the Muslims are in a numerical majority in that state.The US is a target because of its unqualified support for Israel.

But the reason these three countries are targeted is because they represent what Muslims call the infidels( non Muslims) and are able to incite Muslims to vent their anger at them.If the religious threat did not exist, I doubt you will see much of a terrorist actvity against all these countries.

I do not believe that any of these three countries have carried out explicitly terrorist activities targeting innocent civilians.

That said, I am not sure that Israel, India or the US have clean hands on the issue of prisoner abuse and tortures.