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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-04 07:33 AM
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Do you believe many republicans have fascist tendancies?
I myself would have found it ridiculous to ask this question a few years ago but they have become more and more obvious in many ways over the years.

They cannot stand dissent. Bush fears it. He cannot tolerate it within his administration or amongst the general public. Look what happened to O'Neil and Clarke...and look what they tried doing after they left and spoke out. Why else can't he have open crowds? Loyalty oaths for his own rallies? I thought political rallies are a way to express your ideas in an open manner? I understand the security aspect, but that still isn't an excuse...

They oppose privacy. They support the right of the state to peek into everyone's private life. They want to know whether you have sex with a person of the same sex or the opposite sex. They want to listen to your phone calls.

They oppose the freedom of speech...and the first amendment's protections in general. They're using the FCC to try to quiet those that criticize the president. They're using the FBI to go after political protestors...

They want every child to pray to their God in school. They want the ten commandments posted everywhere in public schools.

They oppose free and fair competetion. They don't have a problem with monoplies. They don't care about price gauging. Free enterprise and fair competition are meaningless to them, even though they give a lot of lip service regarding the virtues of capitalism.

They attempt to overturn elections when they see fit. They tried toppling Clinton over sex. They succeeded with Grey Davis in CA.

THey subvert elections when they are capable. 2000 - voter purges, and very possible election fraud in GA atleast with touch screens.

No judicial independance. This is very serious and is what makes it similar to a banana republic or third world dictatorship. Those they appoint are idealogues only interested in political ends. The 2000 SC ruling is the case in point.

They're theocratic fascists. That's what the party has become. I don't understand why it's difficult for many moderate people (and yes I believe a majority are moderates) to accept this and realize how destructive republicans are. It's mind boggling, especially to see minorities voting republican...

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UnityDem Donating Member (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-04 07:35 AM
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1. Yes, there must be
No dissent in America.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-04 07:36 AM
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2. Neocons yes
Fundies yes.
Old guard Republicans no.
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-04 08:17 AM
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6. Old guard republicans seem to be on the endangered list
You're right about the real republicans not being fascists but they seem to be out numbered poor John McCain is trying not to get sucked in but his grip on reality seems to be slipping.

The right as gotten to be a blood thirsty lot.
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BlueMole Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-04 07:37 AM
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3. Do bears?
hang out in the woods?
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-04 07:42 AM
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4. Yes, as long as the president has an (R) after his name
They'll be screaming their dissent and demands for privacy and less gov't oversight loud and clear when we put a Dem back in the driver's seat.
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wadestock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-04 08:10 AM
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5. Yes of course....odd isn't it.....
that the Reaganites gone mad and neocons seem to profess an Adam Smith form of capitalism that is unrestrained and "free" to do its business....but then comes the unexplained need to have it all backed by government promoting it and pushing it that much further to the extremes of specifically exploiting the middle class (and the world at large) to the maximum extent possible in the name of GROWTH.

With the neocons in power now....we're not talking merely "securing the right" for business and people to run to the hills with all the profits they can possibly make....we're talking about GOVERNMENT TAKING SPECIFIC ACTION TO MAKE SURE THAT TAXES AND LAWS ARE ADJUSTED SUCH THAT THE MIDDLE CLASS IS "DISADVANTAGED".

I had a discussion with a guy the other day at the NJ fair in Sussex County ....very heated debate between the Bush tent and right across the walkway the Kerry tent. At one point I said....well you believe in business....I understand that....and you believe that by giving business and people the ability to make money, then all things will fall in place....I understand that....but please explain to me why...

YOU NEED A POLITICAL PARTY SPECIFIC FOR THE REASON OF BACKING BIG BUSINESS AND THE WEALTHIEST PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY.....

DON'T YOU THINK THEY'RE DOING JUST FINE WITHOUT THAT??????

Well he took some pause at that thought.

In other words....in the worse case scenario Democrats will possibly screw up and take some money from the rich and use it unwisely....but history has shown, the capitalistic system and free enterprise barely twitches at such goings on. History has shown conclusively that the capitalistic system survives and THRIVES in a climate of relatively progressive tax rates.

Turn the dial the way the neocons want in the direction of a flat tax.....and you'll quickly see the end of the middle class.

You see....there really is no need for the Republican Party at all anymore...seeing that it has become this right wing fascist machine that has specific intentions to disadvantage the middle class.

Now of course Bush is all this and more....including reckless spending and a propensity for wanting to "rewrite the history books" with the "NEW CRUSADES". It's so many things gone bad it's amazing that people can't see it...but then again....the American public is overworked, undereducated, and consistently has its eye off the ball...
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-04 08:39 AM
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7. The lesson of fascism is that it can happen anywhere
There will always be people with fascist tendencies. When we were cautioned that the price of freedom is constant vigilance, that is really what they were saying we need to be vigilant about. Scared people will always vote to give their rights away in times of stress. People with fascist personality types who get into power will always be glad to oblige them.

What to do? Watch out for key phrases: law and order, tough on crime, tough on drugs, anti communist (terrorist, gay marriage, etc), hard times requiring sacrifice of liberty, limites to freedom. These people always tell you what they are. Your job is to keep them out of power.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-04 08:45 AM
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8. Coincidentally, I was going to write a essay on this very subject
My answer is yes. The proof can be found by looking at any private organization that is owned by a fundamentalist. Until yesterday I worked for one.

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checks-n-balances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-04 10:28 AM
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13. Do tell, if you can. Hope you're glad you're out of there
Not asking for details, but sometime, maybe it would be good for us to know and what to be careful about.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-04 01:22 PM
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18. I'd love to talk about it.
but right now I'm processing a lot of raw information. My experience has revealed so many apparent truths about the right wing upper caste of this country. And the methods they use to control poorly educated worker class. The role of religion, and the intertwining of political expression and persuasion.

I don't want to make any declaratory statements until I've composed my thoughts into an essay.

I believe I need to do that at this point and will be happy to post it when its complete.

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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-04 08:48 AM
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9. oh yeah...and as some very intelligent people have said
corporatism IS the new fascism.
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Bosso 63 Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-04 08:50 AM
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10. they want a father figure.
the world seems more complicated and scary, they want daddy to take care of them rather than face the change themselves.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-04 09:12 AM
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11. the neocon wing of the GOP has swallowed the party
and now dominates its national face, its agenda and its policies.

The neocons are fascists.
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William Bloode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-04 09:47 AM
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12. Well....
I always see oppression on either end of the extreme, be it left or right. Extremism on either end can be harmful and repressive.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-04 10:58 AM
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16. Yep
I mean it's just as fair to ask if Chairman Mao's Cultural revolution is a potential end to any Liberal movement.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-04 10:30 AM
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14. repugs use to be on the other side
the honoring and embracing constitution and the love of it. dont know where they got their heads turned around. this is one of the surprising how easy it was for them to turn from fighting for the values of america to the fascist attitude for the u.s.
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BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-04 10:57 AM
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15. Fascism is a latent element in all conservatism.
So, yes every Repug has fascist tendencies. But tendencies don't have to manifest themselves in policy. Unfortunately, in today's Repugs they are doing so more and more often.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-04 11:17 AM
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17. They are nationalistic corporatists, right?
Edited on Wed Aug-18-04 11:17 AM by jpgray
I thought that was the definition?
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